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There is a HUGE (pardon the pun) difference between slender and scrawny, a good majority of "high fashion" models today are sickly and scrawny. Not at ALL representations of an average woman, or even an average slender person. I have girls, 3 rotten stinkin' teenaged girls, and two of them are very slender and tall (got it straight from their Dad ), and compared to some of these models, my girls are chunky, which is SOOOO not the case. (The youngest two have been approached to be models, but we nixed that real quick; no 13 yr old and 15yr old needs to be working when school is more important, not to mention they are kids, let them be!)
Bah! We have different opinions on this one. I absolutely feel it does promote unhealthy body image, when you have thin pretty girls being told to loose weight, and average athletic girls told they are too fat. Not to mention the girls that are in fact overweight, trying to starve themselves to be thinner so they are not ostracized by their "peers", in a vain attempt to be as "pretty and thin" as these models that are basically clothes hangers.
Honestly? I think part of the obesity epidemic stems from loss of hope due to the media. (Note: I said PART, there are other reasons, but this one is the one I want to focus on.) Women with a propensity to gain weight, try and try to be as thin as the "super models" they see everywhere and whom their friends adore, and fail; so they give up and take a complete 180 turn and overindulge and become even bigger, so they are more depressed and eat more, and on and on ad nausem. in short despondancy.
Yes. I think the industry plays a bigger part in the lives of average obese people, moreso than an average thin person. (see above)
Someone who is a normal healthy size 6, should NEVER be refered to as a plus model. That is a HUGE problem with the industry right there. A size 6 is NOT a plus size, I don't care how you cut it, it's just not. Honestly, a size 12 can be non-plus sized depending on the woman wearing it.
It's absolutely disgusting to me that she is considered a plus size model. She's not plus sized!
As for your comparisons in ribs, other than Jayne (who was a hottie, even though she was really thin!) I didn't really see any ribs. When you say "ribs showing" this is what I think of, and these are all "runway models", and exactly the problem, IMO.
I like the approach of the Dove company, they always use natural, normal women in their recent commercials It was really striking the first time I saw one of those commercials, which tells me that my mind was also already used to seeing slim girls in commercials.
Exactly. I had the same reaction, as well. You get so used to seeing one thing, even if you don't agree with it, that it seems a bit odd when you see the opposite. It's all about reconditioning the brain. And that's what society needs to do. Thank goodness some responsible companies are finally doing the right thing.
Exactly. I had the same reaction, as well. You get so used to seeing one thing, even if you don't agree with it, that it seems a bit odd when you see the opposite. It's all about reconditioning the brain. And that's what society needs to do. Thank goodness some responsible companies are finally doing the right thing.
Conditioning?
Some of us can think for ourselves. That marketing campaign was not a shock to me. You have to relate the product to those you are shilling it to. The target demographic of dove products have proclivities that would make that image more relatable and give the consumer. The "I feel good about me" marketed vibe increases the drive to purchase products in a low economic time in a growing world of megalomaniac type personalities with weight issues. They don't care. They just want your cash. That type of sycophantic marketing ploy annoys me when people fall for it.
Maybe you guys were ignoring all the toxic chemicals in P&G products that cause cancer. If they really cared about affecting the consumer negatively they would change that more so than marketed images. They won't change that though until they find a way to profit from it. See above for the reason why.
People should focus on that crap more than skinny vs. fat. Because no matter what you weight is, that stuff will affect you, your environment and any kids you have. Ironically if you have a higher body fat that crap hangs out in your system longer creating damage.
All the other brands are using unhealthy chemicals, too. They all just want our money. So, unless you decide not to use any commercial shower gel etc., you will give your money to one or more of those big brands. So you might as well give it to a company that at least promotes a more positive image of women than the rest, even if the product is the same crap.
Marketing is what it is, just think of those Benetton ads years ago...
All the other brands are using unhealthy chemicals, too. They all just want our money. So, unless you decide not to use any commercial shower gel etc., you will give your money to one or more of those big brands. So you might as well give it to a company that at least promotes a more positive image of women than the rest, even if the product is the same crap.
Marketing is what it is, just think of those Benetton ads years ago...
When they did which ad series? They had a couple different ad runs.
What this is promoting is just the reverse of fat bashing. Calling heavier women "feminine" or "real". I think kate moss is a real person who happens to be a female that is feminine and just on the small side.
I don't want to give money to someone who promotes lies and hatred to fatten their own wallets. P&G sell a lot more products than dove and notorious for the "pinkwashing". They are also involved in creating anti-cancer drugs...hmmm....
I don't care if someone wants to make money...but pulling the pinkwashing and pandering is like having the "best friend" you never wanted. Acts sweet to your face, and rots your chest off like cancer behind your back.
There are plenty of items to choose from that have more ethical practices and marketing. There are entire websites dedicated to these products or information on these products.
I meant the ads featuring minorities, HIV patients, etc. I am sure there clothes didn't become any better because of that.
I don't buy Dove anyway, I prefer Nivea.
Still, as long as there are commercials for such products, I prefer those where they show normal women, who, like it or not, do not look like Kate Moss etc. Nobody is bashing her, but I don't want her and similar models to be considered any kind of ideal to strive for.
I meant the ads featuring minorities, HIV patients, etc. I am sure there clothes didn't become any better because of that.
I don't buy Dove anyway, I prefer Nivea.
Still, as long as there are commercials for such products, I prefer those where they show normal women, who, like it or not, do not look like Kate Moss etc. Nobody is bashing her, but I don't want her and similar models to be considered any kind of ideal to strive for.
Nivea doesn't show unhealthy looking models. If you google either of those names you can see for yourself. But its a very good example of how the company presents the imagery despite not falling in line with these proposed guidelines to ban thinner models.
As for your comparisons in ribs, other than Jayne (who was a hottie, even though she was really thin!) I didn't really see any ribs. When you say "ribs showing" this is what I think of, and these are all "runway models", and exactly the problem, IMO.
You're joking, right? Almost every single one of those images was photoshopped. See, I think this is what most people think of when they think of models because these fake, sensational images are all that get passed around along with the rare and tragic model deaths from anorexia. They certainly exist, but they are not the majority. Most people will never see a runway show in their life so they don't really know what the average model looks like.
And my point with showing Jayne and the other perfectly normal ladies was that you don't have to be underweight for ribs to show, particularly if you have a large ribcage like Mansfield did.
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For the ladies with modeling experience...do you think there's been a significant size drop in today's "high fashion" models (the ones often seen in mass media: billboards, cosmetic ads, editorials, runways) as opposed to models from say the 90s? Or do you think they're still largely in the same height/weight category?
I think the size has dropped a bit, but it's the shape that has really changed. In 1992, Cindy Crawford's measurements were 34-24-35. A random model I found on the Ford website (Anni, if you're interested) of the same height is 31-23-34. She's not significantly thinner, but she's less shapely. The boobs and hips are smaller and more like a teenager's than a grown woman's. Looking through other model's portfolios, they're all about the same. Maybe they're straighter body shapes because there are more teens in the market or maybe there are more teens in the market because straight body shapes are preferred, I don't know, but I believe that plays a role in the image people have of model sizes today.
I don't even know Nivea commercials, I just use it because I am German myself and have used their stuff since I was a baby
Yes, neither of those two women, whom for whatever reason you picked out of all those listed there, look unhealthy, although both are not overly feminine, either, in my view, not to mention not my type.
I don't even know Nivea commercials, I just use it because I am German myself and have used their stuff since I was a baby
Yes, neither of those two women, whom for whatever reason you picked out of all those listed there, look unhealthy, although both are not overly feminine, either, in my view, not to mention not my type.
Good thing it's not a model's job to attract you.
But if you'd like to discuss whatever arbitrary standards you have for what a woman is "supposed" to look like, I direct you to this thread.
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), and compared to some of these models, my girls are chunky, which is SOOOO not the case. (The youngest two have been approached to be models, but we nixed that real quick; no 13 yr old and 15yr old needs to be working when school is more important, not to mention they are kids, let them be!)
Honestly, a size 12 can be non-plus sized depending on the woman wearing it.
