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Even if you're on F&B once a year you can't miss seeing a reference to women being old on here. IMO. Just scroll down. Should old broads really wear this? Old broads, such-and-such isn't hiding a thing! What's the single thing that makes an old broad look...old? What are the THREE things that make an old broad look old? What tricks can you offer so old broads don't look so damned old? Balh, blah, blah. Come on now.
I can give you a reference for the figure I quoted, as well as declining testosterone stats, but you already made this sweeping "no pharma marketing" statement and I don't know what you mean by that, nor how sweepingly you're going to eliminate data based on that. You have already, with one general and rather angry statement, eliminated the data, basically, because what large-scale study won't appear to have a tie-in with drug companies at least ultimately?
Your husband is fine-looking and performs well in bed. That's great. A large percentage of men aren't fit (at the very least, are overweight...do you want that stat? Will you accept it?) - and that, overweight/lack of fitness (which for a significant chunk of people, both male and female, also means physical decline particularly past a certain age), is one issue mentioned here. Others, such as hair growth past a certain age in *a large portion* (no, not every single individual) of men are very well-documented. Those specifics are what are being listed on this thread, not which men specifically buck the trend. I know we are all glad that your husband is exceptional but your degree of upset doesn't warrant automatically eliminating the negatives noted here any more than the negatives automatically eliminate the possibility of exceptional men like your husband.
Provide me with some specific examples of threads created by a member of the opposite sex (man) which includes a long laundry list of how bad all older women look and I will offer my comments on those specific threads.
I'm not "angry" or "upset" or "butt hurt" - why the need to make up my disposition? Please provide your examples that demonstrate my "degree of upset."
I just want logic and facts - that is all. I was just curious where you came up with your 40% figure (for men 40 and over), or the stats the OP used for her generalizations on older men. If you want to supply clinical research data from pharmaceutical studies that is fine. I just prefer scientific studies not associated with Viagra - sellers that have a vested interest. But either way, I am curious on your and OP's figures.
You are right about one thing though - hubby is an exceptional man. So maybe I do see men through rose-colored glasses. Oh well.
Will watch to see what the answer is here; perhaps I have missed this poster's strident offense at anti-woman-aging threads. I don't see every post.
When I see it, I'm more than willing to call it out. I am not aware of the other thread. I took a break from City-Data for awhile, so I must have missed it.
I hadn't seen that this gem had risen from it's well deserved death. Well it is that season.
For starters, at 59 and in no need of pharmaceutical scaffolding I guess I'm a statistical outlier. Who knew I was such a stud?
Regarding #s, 40% of men over 40 having some level of ED doesn't say what some people think it says. Those 40% of men include everyone over 40, so 50 and 60 and 70 and 80 year olds and older. So yeah, that number is probably on target.
When it was active I don't believe the companion thread targeting women's aging mentioned sexual function. In fact, when KathrynAragon included that about men it seemed like a particularly nasty and gratuitous jab at men's vulnerability. Do we really want to start listing all the sexual issues menopausal and post menopausal women face? I won't go there because I won't lower myself to that level of mean spirited invective, but in the "aging takes a toll on our sex lives" olympics, I don't think there's a clear winner between men and women. Loser. You know what I mean.
While I agree that there are quite a few threads about women's appearance, many are started by women. The one KA responded to with this thread was started by a women. I absolutely agree that women are more scrutinized for their appearance and that that scrutiny sucks, but does this thread do anything to help with that situation? The men here who pile on women about appearance issues are entirely tone deaf, and so this thread, if they read it at all, will just confirm their already low opinion of women. The only men who will hear this message are men like me who routinely push back against men who behave poorly here and IRL. No man reading this had an epiphany, like "OMG, I thought back hair and sagging balls was all sexy, but now I know better" or like Saul on the road to Damascus, saw the "light" of how it feels to be the target of this kind of critique. Men with empathy who give a s**t already do, and men who don't won't be converted by this rancid gospel.
I'm not offended by this in the sense that I feel "outed" for having the issues so kindly pointed out here. I will own the life long tendency I have to naively expect that people share my standards for treating sensitive topics, duh, sensitively, if at all. So that's maybe 50% of my feeling about this, and I admit that it's misplaced. That's why I stopped participating early in this threads first life.
The other 50% of my irritation with this is the high minded defense KA and others made for this screed. "I thought men should know about this so they can look their best", or the frequently cited excuse when women do some of the lousy crap that men do, "men do it" or "it's their turn to see how it feels", or both. Really. Do any of you have kids and would you for an effing second listen to that without laughing? And you're not doing a tit for tat? I don't know how you define tit or tat, but this thread is a classic example of titting for tatting.
And while I have a few of the issues listed, I deal with them the same way women who chose to deal with aging issues that can be dealt with do; privately but without shame. The rest I accept. Age happens. To all of us.
I hadn't seen that this gem had risen from it's well deserved death. Well it is that season.
For starters, at 59 and in no need of pharmaceutical scaffolding I guess I'm a statistical outlier. Who knew I was such a stud?
Regarding #s, 40% of men over 40 having some level of ED doesn't say what some people think it says. Those 40% of men include everyone over 40, so 50 and 60 and 70 and 80 year olds and older. So yeah, that number is probably on target.
When it was active I don't believe the companion thread targeting women's aging mentioned sexual function. In fact, when KathrynAragon included that about men it seemed like a particularly nasty and gratuitous jab at men's vulnerability. Do we really want to start listing all the sexual issues menopausal and post menopausal women face? I won't go there because I won't lower myself to that level of mean spirited invective, but in the "aging takes a toll on our sex lives" olympics, I don't think there's a clear winner between men and women. Loser. You know what I mean.
While I agree that there are quite a few threads about women's appearance, many are started by women. The one KA responded to with this thread was started by a women. I absolutely agree that women are more scrutinized for their appearance and that that scrutiny sucks, but does this thread do anything to help with that situation? The men here who pile on women about appearance issues are entirely tone deaf, and so this thread, if they read it at all, will just confirm their already low opinion of women. The only men who will hear this message are men like me who routinely push back against men who behave poorly here and IRL. No man reading this had an epiphany, like "OMG, I thought back hair and sagging balls was all sexy, but now I know better" or like Saul on the road to Damascus, saw the "light" of how it feels to be the target of this kind of critique. Men with empathy who give a s**t already do, and men who don't won't be converted by this rancid gospel.
I'm not offended by this in the sense that I feel "outed" for having the issues so kindly pointed out here. I will own the life long tendency I have to naively expect that people share my standards for treating sensitive topics, duh, sensitively, if at all. So that's maybe 50% of my feeling about this, and I admit that it's misplaced. That's why I stopped participating early in this threads first life.
The other 50% of my irritation with this is the high minded defense KA and others made for this screed. "I thought men should know about this so they can look their best", or the frequently cited excuse when women do some of the lousy crap that men do, "men do it" or "it's their turn to see how it feels", or both. Really. Do any of you have kids and would you for an effing second listen to that without laughing? And you're not doing a tit for tat? I don't know how you define tit or tat, but this thread is a classic example of titting for tatting.
And while I have a few of the issues listed, I deal with them the same way women who chose to deal with aging issues that can be dealt with do; privately but without shame. The rest I accept. Age happens. To all of us.
I don't believe this. We have not experienced these problems - not at all. Am I just extremely lucky?
Lucky may be one word to describe your situation. There may be others, but that's not for me to determine. Ever noticed the vast number of commercials directed at middle aged men, regarding ED? There's a reason for that.
There are older men who are fit, absolutely. They're in a minority (just under 25%), at least in the U.S. I mean just to be realistic about it.
This thread started out really as what, specifically, shows age in a man. So specifics are what are being mentioned. That doesn't mean there are no attractive middle-aged/older men or that every older man has every one of these issues combined. Just my view as it isn't my thread.
I didn't see the bit about "all" men? A fair percentage do. That's just a fact. And then again a fair percentage do not. Again, being 40%...well, that's a pretty big number. It's noticeable, particularly for a woman in the dating world. Still doesn't mean every single man, though.
Right on.
For instance, my husband is 59. He's a very good looking man, who places a lot of importance on maintaining his health and good looks as much as possible within reason. He is fastidious about his personal hygiene. But does he look 28? Errrr, no. (For the record, I'm completely uninterested in 28 year old men so that's fine.) He doesn't look 38 either. He looks like a good looking 59 year old man. He looks a heck of a lot better than many men his age, and a few men his age look a bit younger - but I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of men AND WOMEN in their 50s probably look, well, middle aged.
That doesn't mean they look unattractive necessarily - but quit kidding yourselves, over 50 men and women - we look middle aged, folks.
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