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"I don't care if I'm doing naked backflips off your car, it doesn't mean I want to sleep with you."
I actually think that's a great, though very demonstrative, argument.
There is no, no, no excuse for rape, even if the girl leads you on, gets undressed and wiggles her behind at you before she says no. There is absolutely no reasoning that can make rape anything less than what it is.
If a man can't have the self control to keep it in his pants, he should, for his own sake, consider chopping little boy off if you ask me.
That said, I do believe the best way to deal with rapists, as well as others, is the judicial system, because if it was up to me, I'd make them suffer every second of their miserable life, and I would make it last.
A girl, just as a man, should be able to dress as they see fit, without risking to be violated.
Yes, clothing and behavior is a factor sometimes but that's in no way a problem for the women to deal with, that's all on us. We have to change, not them.
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Originally Posted by TKramar
If they don't value themselves as anything but a sexual object, if they only want to be seen that way, it seems as if they don't have much respect for themselves.
Streetwalkers advertise their wares--and studies have proven that they do not have much respect for themselves.
Who says they only value themselves as sex objects? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you only value them as sex objects? Seeing as that's your words, not theirs?
Then again, I could be wrong, maybe it is the trait of a true gentleman to assume a woman sells sex, based on her clothing.
3-Having tattoos placed on private areas of the body( Breasts, behind,in the Y area).
You contradict yourself. If women dress more modestly, you won't see these tattoos. (How do you see a tat on someone's butt anyway? Is she wearing a thong at the grocery store?)
If you're telling me that I shouldn't have tattoos somewhere on my body, well, that's none of your business. You'll never see them, so why do you care?
I'm sorry but I didn't pay several thousand dollars for my girls to be covered up!!!
That's so funny you mentioned that. I was going to say, "When you get something new, like implants, you like to show them off." If I were a "john," I wouldn't be able to separate the hookers from some of the general female population. There is nothing sexy, about going out of your way to look trashy.
I agree with you, Ron. I'm not advocating that we as a society go back to mores where a married couple had to be portrayed with twin beds, etc, but I think the "show it all" fashion situation mirrors how our society has in many cases gotten more vulgar and crass, but that's a topic for another day. Just sayin'....
I actually think that's a great, though very demonstrative, argument.
There is no, no, no excuse for rape, even if the girl leads you on, gets undressed and wiggles her behind at you before she says no. There is absolutely no reasoning that can make rape anything less than what it is.
If a man can't have the self control to keep it in his pants, he should, for his own sake, consider chopping little boy off if you ask me.
That said, I do believe the best way to deal with rapists, as well as others, is the judicial system, because if it was up to me, I'd make them suffer every second of their miserable life, and I would make it last.
A girl, just as a man, should be able to dress as they see fit, without risking to be violated.
Yes, clothing and behavior is a factor sometimes but that's in no way a problem for the women to deal with, that's all on us. We have to change, not them.
I'm in absolute agreement with you. And I think a man should be free to leer, whistle and hoot without risk of legal action or reprimand if a woman chooses to hang her **** out for everyone to see, to show off her camel toe, to even walk NAKED down the street. I think she has the right to do so, and I think every man is free to look, whistle, leer and make suggestive remarks and/or gestures.
And also, I think you're a radically biased doot-brain.
I'm in absolute agreement with you. And I think a man should be free to leer, whistle and hoot without risk of legal action or reprimand if a woman chooses to hang her **** out for everyone to see, to show off her camel toe, to even walk NAKED down the street. I think she has the right to do so, and I think every man is free to look, whistle, leer and make suggestive remarks and/or gestures.
And also, I think you're a radically biased doot-brain.
...I don't know what a doot brain is.
I agree that you have to expect reactions when you dress in a certain manner. That said, I extend the same civility to someone who dress "trashy" as I do someone who dress in business suits. I don't whistle or make suggestive remarks or gestures to a woman in a business suit, and I won't do it to a women in a see through tank-top and a miniskirt either.
Who says they only value themselves as sex objects? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you only value them as sex objects? Seeing as that's your words, not theirs?
Then again, I could be wrong, maybe it is the trait of a true gentleman to assume a woman sells sex, based on her clothing.
No, it would not be accurate, because I would not sleep with them. You cannot deny the fact that prostitution exists, that some women actually believe that their only value is in sleeping with men. In fact, if they didn't believe that was their value, they wouldn't put a price on it, would they?
Your gentlemen wouldn't have anything to do with those women though.
That's so funny you mentioned that. I was going to say, "When you get something new, like implants, you like to show them off." If I were a "john," I wouldn't be able to separate the hookers from some of the general female population. There is nothing sexy, about going out of your way to look trashy.
You could perhaps say--"there's a time and a place for everything."? Modest in public, and less modest in private with the person you love?
No, it would not be accurate, because I would not sleep with them. You cannot deny the fact that prostitution exists, that some women actually believe that their only value is in sleeping with men. In fact, if they didn't believe that was their value, they wouldn't put a price on it, would they?
Your gentlemen wouldn't have anything to do with those women though.
I've never claimed there's no prostitution have I?
What motivations prostitutes have vary, for streetwalkers, it's often drugs, or the fact that they're the victims of trafficing, for others, they simply see themselves as someone who provide a service. I actually read an in debt interview with a prostitute the other day, and she didn't seem to have any lower self esteem or respect than any other girl.
That said, I was commenting on girls who dress in ways you obviously find inappropriate.
As for gentlemen? I'd say a gentleman treats a woman with respect regardless of her occupation and social standard.
Then why don't they place a value on OTHER skills or attributes?
Like I said, there are some people a gentleman will not stoop to involve themselves with.
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but I think the "show it all" fashion situation mirrors how our society has in many cases gotten more vulgar and crass, but that's a topic for another day. Just sayin'....
