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Old 07-15-2010, 07:59 PM
 
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It sounds like you have some experience with fish. Are the young ones helping feed them - maybe when you're not looking? If the food is easily reached you might try moving it, or explaining why the fish aren't really as hungery as they look. I am of the opinion that most problems are related to overfeeding.

Sometimes water utilities boost the chlorine levels to solve a problem, but since this has been occuring over a period of months that doesn't seem likely. I think all water companies will provide you with a recent analysis if asked. It may be on line.
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Old 07-15-2010, 09:10 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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It sounds like you have some experience with fish.
Except for the fact I've managed to send six of them to an early demise.

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Are the young ones helping feed them - maybe when you're not looking? If the food is easily reached you might try moving it, or explaining why the fish aren't really as hungery as they look. I am of the opinion that most problems are related to overfeeding.
It's possible, but not likely. The tank is on the breakfast bar and I've removed all the stools to prevent them from climbing. They are clever, though, so they could use a chair from the dining room and drag it over there together (Trust me, they work in cahoots on these kind of things. ;-) Seriously, though, I never leave them unattended except a quick trip to move laundry in the machines (about three steps away). I would surely hear the commotion.

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Sometimes water utilities boost the chlorine levels to solve a problem, but since this has been occuring over a period of months that doesn't seem likely. I think all water companies will provide you with a recent analysis if asked. It may be on line.
Hmm. There's an idea. The water from late April would still be present in the tank if I've only replenished it 1 - 1.5 cups at a time. I will dump this tank and re-establish it when I move next week. I'll also try the other suggestion of getting pond fish. If necessary, I will get a water analysis. Hopefully, some or all of this will rectify the problem.

Thanks for the tips!
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Old 07-15-2010, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Land of Free Johnson-Weld-2016
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Hi, I kept goldfish alive for a long time once I realized:
1. The water needs to be kept cool.
2. Goldfish don't like chlorine.

If the temperature is correct and you're using the aquasafe in proper amounts, I would be worried.

Goldfish can live a really long time, and actually get pretty big if the space is available. You can have a lab test the water for a few hundred dollars if you'd like. No, you're not crazy. Six fish dying for no reason is strange. I would test a sample of plain water and then a sample of water treated with aquasafe.

For all you know, there could be a problem with the batch that you got. That does happen at times in manufacturing, so you can contact aquasafe as well.
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Old 07-15-2010, 09:31 PM
 
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Hi, I kept goldfish alive for a long time once I realized:
1. The water needs to be kept cool.
2. Goldfish don't like chlorine.

If the temperature is correct and you're using the aquasafe in proper amounts, I would be worried.

Goldfish can live a really long time, and actually get pretty big if the space is available. You can have a lab test the water for a few hundred dollars if you'd like. No, you're not crazy. Six fish dying for no reason is strange. I would test a sample of plain water and then a sample of water treated with aquasafe.

For all you know, there could be a problem with the batch that you got. That does happen at times in manufacturing, so you can contact aquasafe as well.
This is what I did from beginning to end.

I took the fish I had in Chicago and gave it to my neighbor for her daughter.
I dumped all the water and rinsed the gravel and decor.
I let it sit out for several days to dry out and then packed it in a box.
Dried the tank really well, wrapped it and packed it.
It was the last thing to go in the car so no time for mold to grow.
I cleaned the tank, gravel and decor once I arrived here.
Added tap water and the chemicals.
Added a new filter and started the pump. Let it run for about 5 days (it might have been longer by a couple of days, but not shorter).
Added a goldfish and a Plecostomus.
Goldfish died within three days.
This repeated five more times with varying number of days alive in the tank.
The last one lasted the "longest" at about two weeks.
The Plecostomus is still alive and has survived all the water additions over the past 2+ months.

I think the idea of a bad batch is possible, but not likely. I brought all the chemicals I used in Chicago as they were not empty. None of the fish in Chicago died although it came from the same bottles. I'm truly perplexed by it.

Another theory is Goldfish don't like "Go, Diego, Go." The tank is sitting on the breakfast bar and the big screen is in the living room. My toddler is addicted to Diego and knows how to use the Roku remote. I can certainly understand giving up after being forced to watch that all day long. j/k

Thanks for the ideas!
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:21 AM
 
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Since your pleco is still alive, and you've had your tank running all this time, you should have beneficial bacteria in your tank by now. Your tank should be "cycled". Letting a new tank sit for five days does not make a new tank "old"; you need fish in order to get the bacteria going, and the cycling process takes several weeks. That's probably why your latest goldfish lived the longest. That is one of the main reasons people have fish dying on them, their tank is not cycled, and the high ammonia levels in a cycling tank kills them. Just topping off the water occasionally will not remove the ammonia. Also, both goldfish and plecos are very messy, creating a lot of waste each day, which increases ammonia levels. (I'm not really sure plecos and goldfish are a good mix anyway temperature-wise, plus if you have a common pleco it will grow rapidly to over a foot in length, as will a common goldfish--I hope you have a big tank. Come to think of it, a new tank won't have any algae, what are you feeding your pleco? You don't want him starving, that would only add to your misery---they like tiny bits of algae wafers)

I'm very concerned, as from the sound of your posts, you don't mention how often you vacuum the gravel?? All that waste will just accumulate in the tank, creating more and more ammonia. You should be doing weekly gravel vacuumings and partial water change to get rid of that ammonia. Plecos are really, really hardy and will tolerate some ammonia, and while goldfish are also hardy, they aren't hardy enough to tolerate high levels of ammonia.

I'm also perplexed by all the "chemicals" you used, you only need a dechlorinator. Chemicals can often be harmful, depending on what you are adding and how much. At any rate, here is the info on the importance of a properly cycled tank, for starters. It seems like a lot of work, but is really very simple. Otherwise, you risk losing your fish, which as you've learned is very disheartening. You can also research the importance of keeping the tank clean once it's cycled. Good luck!

Freshwater cycling - Aquaria Central

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