11-07-2013, 03:58 PM
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Its called personal responsibility.
Nobody forced the OP to buy a house.
Nobody forced the OP to sign for a mortgage.
Now it is their personal responsibility to pay back the mortgage whether they keep the house or not.
Dont like it, sell it. Dont want it, sell it. Take the loss. Have some personal respect.
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CravingMountains
Why should you pay hundreds of thousands of dollars on something that isn't worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? I sure as hell wouldn't!
11-07-2013, 03:59 PM
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Yeah.
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MaryleeII
It might seem like the OP is getting away with it, but these things have a way of coming back to haunt you.
11-07-2013, 04:07 PM
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Actually if you negotiate a short sale or deed in lieu you can negotiate that they do not pursue a deficiency judgement, if you go the strategic default route they can come after you.
Haha! I knew you were going to say that. Correct, you can negotiate that the lender not pursue a deficiency judgement. My advice on that is that you had better read the fine print because those lenders will cloak and dagger you if you don't look closely enough! You know that!
The better thing about a strategic default is that you can stay in the house and save up until the next chapter of your life is ready to begin. Eventually, you will have to leave, but you have ample time to prepare for that change. Doing a short sale will get you kicked out promptly. With a strategic default, they can come after you, but not if you file bankruptcy. The OP has a lawyer to work this complicated situation out.
11-07-2013, 04:08 PM
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Spring Hillian
Its called personal responsibility.
Right. Sell it at a loss. So much for retirement or funds for your children's college with hundreds of thousands of dollars hanging over your head. NO THANK YOU!
11-07-2013, 04:13 PM
Location: Hernando County, FL
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CravingMountains
Haha! I knew you were going to say that. Correct, you can negotiate that the lender not pursue a deficiency judgement. My advice on that is that you had better read the fine print because those lenders will cloak and dagger you if you don't look closely enough! You know that!
The better thing about a strategic default is that you can stay in the house and save up until the next chapter of your life is ready to begin. Eventually, you will have to leave, but you have ample time to prepare for that change. Doing a short sale will get you kicked out promptly. With a strategic default, they can come after you, but not if you file bankruptcy. The OP has a lawyer to work this complicated situation out.
You knew I was going to say that?
Your response advises people to read the fine print but maybe if people read the fine print before buying maybe they wouldn't be in the situation to begin with.
Of course you make sure it actually says they won't pursue you before signing for the short sale, what is so freaking hard about that.
11-07-2013, 04:13 PM
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Dont you realize if the banks suffer losses so do their customers?
The "banks" may have made their mistakes in lending to dead beats and people who would never be able to pay back the loan. Thus they charged them higher interest rates in order to help lessen the blow when the time came where the customer defaulted.
Those same "banks" also made loans to people with good standing who reasonably could repay their loans.
The "banks" didnt force any one to do anything.
OP should just take his losses and move on. Instead he will pay for the services of an attorney who may not be able to pull off this scam. The attorney will get paid. His client will get screwed.
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CravingMountains
Don't listen these self-righteous people OP. We the people were the biggest victims of the hazardous lending practices from banks prior to the recession. The banks and lenders needed to be taught a lesson as well. Save your money for the time being and take care of the house. Then, we ready, leave the place behind and start over. I can't believe some posters on here think people should be buried in hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt for their life. What if the buyer of that house didn't plan on staying there forever?! With the housing crash millions of people got stuck in places that they didn't want to be. They shouldn't be forced to stay there miserable and financially broken!
11-07-2013, 04:14 PM
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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OP should have thought about that before assuming the responsibility of obtaining a large loan.
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CravingMountains
Right. Sell it at a loss. So much for retirement or funds for your children's college with hundreds of thousands of dollars hanging over your head. NO THANK YOU!
11-07-2013, 04:18 PM
Location: Broward County FL
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Spring Hillian
Dont you realize if the banks suffer losses so do their customers?
Banks can write these off and they are not going to go broke if a few people default, and if they do and they are big enough the government will bail them out.
11-07-2013, 04:19 PM
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You knew I was going to say that?
The person making the contract for the short sale is getting a bonus to trick people into the wrong thing. You know that. You used to be in the industry and you know the unethical behavior that goes on it that field! It is just a bunch of scamming sales agents wanting to make a buck!
11-07-2013, 04:23 PM
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OP should have thought about that before assuming the responsibility of obtaining a large loan.
Might be hard to consider all the possibilities with the salesperson (real estate agent and banks) yelling at them that "home values increase by 20% in this neighborhood every year! Buy now while you still can!".
Mike, did you do anything of that sort? You know you did.
I'm a born and raised coastal Floridian. The absolute non-sense that I saw banks and lenders partaking in during my whole life within one of coastal Florida's last working class neighborhoods will make me forever know banks and real estate agents as the scam artists that they are. I would have zero moral consequence with screwing one of them over if they screwed over me.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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