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Perhaps more criminals are doing their homework/research, devouring shelves of true crime books before they commit a crime. Perfect crimes are committed everyday in this country, according to true crime guru Ann Rule.

Or they're going back to college and getting a degree. Afterall, a college degree gives you a license to steal, legally.

But then, some overdo it, like the many-degreed Administrator at the medical facility where I work, who was led out of our facility, recently, in handcuffs, accepting payments for Medicare/Medicaid from dead patients, after a 3-month FBI investigation.

Or maybe some of them have entered the world of politics where they can brush shoulders with other legal criminals!

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Originally Posted by kyle19125

Perhaps the criminal element has left the state due to lack of job possibilities and a "high cost of living versus wage" in occupations that the average criminal is likely to be employed in. One such example is the construction industry which has all but dried up.

This... lol

Higher cost of living, less opportunity, more bad attitudes and angry people....

I think all the criminal and even the non-criminals are just leaving all together.

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by Star691

Actually, mentioning the TV/movies correlation to Florida crime was relevant to the thread.

No, it's not.

How is it relevant? Explain yourself. New York City has a majority of crime dramas, yet it is a statistically safe city. One of the safest in the country per capita. People LIKE shows about cool cities and places ... Miami, New York, Chicago, Vegas... nobody wants to watch a crime drama filmed in Topeka.

Also, shows like "Cops" are often filmed in South Florida, because that's where the show was started back in the... what... 1980s?

Originally Posted by Star691[

"There is nothing wrong with Florida" propaganda posters have responded. Many of the crimes in Florida could likely not be reported.

For a group that often laments the state and quality of Florida education, the "hate Florida" crowd needs to take some logic and comprehension classes together.

NOBODY HERE has stated that "there is no crime." The POINT of the thread is that crime is demonstrably down in Florida, significantly over the years. This is a trend mirrored in the national statistics for crime. BUT, since it goes against one of the big complaints of big complainers on this board: "Out of control crime"... as if crime per capita is on the rise, or was sooo much better back when they moved here in the early 2000s or 1990s or 1980s (when crime was WORSE per capita) .... it's a source of cognitive dissonance for Florida haters.

That, and statements such as the one immediately above this post that "People are fleeing Florida" when the report just came out that Florida has surpassed 19 million people.

Originally Posted by Star691

If all crimes were reported in Florida, it would be the #1 worst crime state year after year.

Self-delusion is the worst kind of delusion. If Florida under reports, then so does everywhere else. Why do you fail to understand this point.

Originally Posted by Star691

Done with this thread. Not returning to see any responses to this.

In other words, typical forum tactic when you can't admit when you're just wrong or advancing a stupid proposition. Is it so hard to say you are/were wrong?

But, highly unlikely that you won't "be back." Like a criminal who has vandalized an otherwise tidy public space, you'll be back to this thread... where you've committed the crime of breathtaking ignorance with your written graffiti!

[Soup Not See]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Self-delusion is the worst kind of delusion. If Florida under reports, then so does everywhere else. Why do you fail to understand this point.

Since Florida is so dependent on tourist dollars, Florida has a much higher incentive to under report crime than South Dakota, Iowa or Vermont. Why do you and other fail to make this correlation ?

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by leftee

Since Florida is so dependent on tourist dollars, Florida has a much higher incentive to under report crime than South Dakota, Iowa or Vermont. Why do you and other fail to make this correlation ?

Good point. I wonder if Disney under-reports as well given their propensity to drag bodies off property before pronouncing them dead.

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by leftee

Since Florida is so dependent on tourist dollars, Florida has a much higher incentive to under report crime than South Dakota, Iowa or Vermont. Why do you and other fail to make this correlation ?

That isn't correlation. THAT is speculation.

You're merely assuming. The assumption makes sense, but in a state that goes out of its way to keep information in the open (sunshine laws, some of the best and most comprehensive and easily searchable sex offender data as compared to other states)... it's not an assumption that is borne out by empirical evidence.

Also, some things - like murder - are basically impossible to cover up. Also, departments walk a fine line. Too much crime, and they are deemed ineffective. Too little crime, they are targets for reduced resources.

[FL biz]

Originally Posted by leftee

Since Florida is so dependent on tourist dollars, Florida has a much higher incentive to under report crime than South Dakota, Iowa or Vermont. Why do you and other fail to make this correlation ?

so, you're implying that the state of Florida is tampering with FBI uniform crime reports?

[Soup Not See]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

That isn't correlation. THAT is speculation.

You're merely assuming. The assumption makes sense, but in a state that goes out of its way to keep information in the open (sunshine laws, some of the best and most comprehensive and easily searchable sex offender data as compared to other states)... it's not an assumption that is borne out by empirical evidence.

Also, some things - like murder - are basically impossible to cover up. Also, departments walk a fine line. Too much crime, and they are deemed ineffective. Too little crime, they are targets for reduced resources.

I don't need empirical evidence to know that an increase in Florida crime could deter tourism in Florida. That's just common sense ...

If police departments were instructed to not report crime due to the possible impact on tourism, where would the empirical evidence come from other than the mouths of those who actually doctored the numbers ? As a prospective tourist, I would be more concerned with armed robberies, carjackings & property crimes than with murder. Those types of crimes are easier to cover up. I certainly wouldn't take my family to Orlando and stay on I-Drive if I knew the area was under a siege of forced room invasions or robberies at gunpoint. Sweep them under the rug and the tourists keep on coming.

Sure, it's an assumption (as was yours about other states under reporting) ... but a valid one for sure as tourism money drives Florida.

[Soup Not See]

Originally Posted by FL biz

so, you're implying that the state of Florida is tampering with FBI uniform crime reports?

Tampering and under reporting the stats that make up the reports are two different things ...

[StreetSmarts]

Originally Posted by Star691

Actually, mentioning the TV/movies correlation to Florida crime was relevant to the thread. Your continuing to mention that earlier comment post after post, is just babble. The usual "There is nothing wrong with Florida" propaganda posters have responded. Many of the crimes in Florida could likely not be reported. If all crimes were reported in Florida, it would be the #1 worst crime state year after year. Done with this thread. Not returning to see any responses to this.

What in the world? FL crimes go unreported? If so, there aren't any other states that wouldn't try to do the same?