[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

If he had not been carrying his weapon, legally by the way, and was jumped by someone who was smashing the back of his head into the ground, illegally, he may be brain dead or worse today and Mr. Martin on trial for the attack. However, not a peep would be made outside the local crime log in the Sanford Herald would have ever been heard.

Universal law of unintended consequences? I do not see how it applies to this situation. I am aware of Merton.

If Mr. Martin was innocent he wouldn't be dead.

You forgot to preface that with what you assume happened since there are no facts to show that.

Let's just stop beating around the bush and have you admit you'd assume any black kid walking with a hood on is up to no good. Hopefully unlike your SH buddy you'd just over react and call 911 instead of going after him.

[Gatornation]

George Zimmerman’s crude Myspace page from 2005 uncovered - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

[Spring Hillian]

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Originally Posted by Gatornation

George Zimmerman’s crude Myspace page from 2005 uncovered - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

[Irishiis49]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

If he had not been carrying his weapon, legally by the way, and was jumped by someone who was smashing the back of his head into the ground, illegally, he may be brain dead or worse today and Mr. Martin on trial for the attack. However, not a peep would be made outside the local crime log in the Sanford Herald would have ever been heard.

Universal law of unintended consequences? I do not see how it applies to this situation. I am aware of Merton.

If Mr. Martin was innocent he wouldn't be dead.

What crime was TM commiting walking to his father's home???I don't get your point that TM was guilty of anything??No one outside of TM and GZ knows what happend...and one is dead and the other has a good reason to lie! Wait till all the facts come to light about GZ...events like this rarely happen in a vacuum...I think by the time the trial starts many GZ supporters will be in for a rude awakening!

[mortpes]

I can understand a parent desire for justice. However, young people cannot commit criminal assault and other crimes without risk. We see almost every day young people across the country doing crimes seemingly without concern. This has to stop.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by Mike1306

The court will not note that tvon was just going home, the prosecuting atty. may. I think if they try and play this as a "because he was black" issue it will probably backfire on them. I think the defense atty will also make note of witness testimony stating tvon was on top of zman beating him.

I don't think the defense atty needs to be creative, just present the facts good.

We know who was following whom.

I don't know that T was beating Z, but if they were close and fighting and Z took out his gun, you betcha T would have been fighting for his life.

If someone were following me and took out a gun and I was close enough to know running was out of the question, I think I would be fighting, too.

What other choice do I have? Stopping and putting my hands up to a guy who was following me with a gun? Praying that he meant me well? I think not.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

Your interpretation of the law is not what a court would uphold.

First of all, the 'I don't like the way you look...bang, bang your dead' theory would certainly not meet the test of the law. It may be simple to invoke the law on your behalf, but it is much more difficult to prove that you used deadly force in order to protect yourself, or someone else.

Witnesses? Good killers NEVER leave witnesses.



As far as the scenario of "I don't like the way you look"...bang, bang your dead" unfolds often in many U.S. cities and towns on a regular basis.

That's exactly what happened, wasn't it?

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

If he had not been carrying his weapon, legally by the way, and was jumped by someone who was smashing the back of his head into the ground, illegally, he may be brain dead or worse today and Mr. Martin on trial for the attack. However, not a peep would be made outside the local crime log in the Sanford Herald would have ever been heard.

Universal law of unintended consequences? I do not see how it applies to this situation. I am aware of Merton.

If Mr. Martin was innocent he wouldn't be dead.

If he had no weapon the fight might not have started.
If he had no weapon, Tray might have run to his dad's house.

[Spring Hillian]

What "might" have been is not what will ever be and we must deal with what we do have. The whole question needs to remain:

Did Z have the right to apply deadly force. If the answer is yes, he goes free. If the answer is no, he gets manslaughter.

He did rightfully and legally posses the weapon. Again, the question is
did he have to right to use deadly force.


Personal emotions may run deep in a matter such as this, but the legal standing of Mr. Z is what is at question.

Originally Posted by goldengrain

If he had no weapon the fight might not have started.
If he had no weapon, Tray might have run to his dad's house.

[Spring Hillian]

Why label Z a "killer" in the first place?

Originally Posted by goldengrain

That's exactly what happened, wasn't it?