12-07-2012, 08:14 PM
Location: Houston, TX
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This is the case in most larger urban areas. It is what makes an area attractive to a lot of people. There are tons of areas in Florida for the less progressive types.
So, because someone doesn't like building up, rather than out, and having super transit makes them less progressive ? According to who ?
I'm sure Florida could start building up, and building bullet trains, and building top notch public transportation systems, but are you ready to pay the same taxes that those states that have such great things pay ? I'm sure you'd be okay with a state income tax too ?
12-07-2012, 08:32 PM
Location: Wake County, NC
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So, because someone doesn't like building up, rather than out, and having super transit makes them less progressive ? According to who ?
Who was talking about building up rather than out? I think having super transit would make an area more progressive. You don't? I am ready to pay, but since I'm leaving this hellhole I'll pay somewhere else.
12-07-2012, 08:44 PM
Location: Houston, TX
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Who was talking about building up rather than out? I think having super transit would make an area more progressive. You don't? I am ready to pay, but since I'm leaving this hellhole I'll pay somewhere else.
If any of Florida's cities had a huge city population, that would make sense. If you have large metro's, population spread out over a vast amount of land, it doesn't make sense, especially financially..
Realistically...
Jacksonville has a population of 827,908.
Miami has a population of 408,750.
Tampa has a population of 346,037.
Orlando has a population of 243,195.
Tallahassee has a population of 182,965.
New York City has a population of 8,244,910.
Just out of curiosity, if you were going to create a new, state of the art transit system in Miami, how far outside of the city would you go ?
12-07-2012, 08:50 PM
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If any of Florida's cities had a huge city population, that would make sense. If you have large metro's, population spread out over a vast amount of land, it doesn't make sense, especially financially..
Give the metro populations of these cities. Besides Jacksonville and Tallahassee. You don't even need to give the "expanded metro", just the metro. Lets say go 10-15 miles out.
12-07-2012, 08:56 PM
Location: Houston, TX
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Give the metro populations of these cities. Besides Jacksonville and Tallahassee. You don't even need to give the "expanded metro", just the metro.
The metro populations don't matter because mass transit isn't designed to service cities with sprawl.
Just to appease you...
Miami - 5,007,564
Tampa - 4,228,855
Orlando - 2,134,411
Jacksonville - 1,345,596
Tallahassee - 320,304
New York - 22,085,649.
12-07-2012, 09:13 PM
Location: Wake County, NC
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The metro populations don't matter because mass transit isn't designed to service cities with sprawl.
It's being redesigned to accommodate sprawl. At least in progressive cities. Even the Research Triangle is planning light rail. Atlanta has the MARTA, their population is large, but Atlanta is one of the biggest sprawled out messes I've ever seen.
12-07-2012, 10:43 PM
Location: Houston, TX
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It's being redesigned to accommodate sprawl. At least in progressive cities. Even the Research Triangle is planning light rail. Atlanta has the MARTA, their population is large, but Atlanta is one of the biggest sprawled out messes I've ever seen.
Which "progressive" cities are redesigning their transit to accommodate sprawl ?
If you'll look at Atlanta's transit (
MARTA - Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority ), the rail doesn't cover a majority of the city, it mainly goes north/south and east/west and in almost each case, it mirrors the interstate (I-85 N/S and I-20 E/W) with a few spur routes along highway 141.
Atlanta's other transit is city buses, which every metro has.
If you want to talk about a sprawling city with pretty decent transit, I think Dallas could be mentioned (
DART.org - Dallas Area Rapid Transit ) The trains in Dallas pretty much cover the entire city and include areas like Irvin and even Ft. Worth.
I'm not against investment in mass transit, I just don't think it's feasible for some areas, especially in cities where people value their vehicles over riding a train. I think if they expanded the current rail in Houston to outlying areas in the city, it would be BRUTAL on traffic.. we already have rail cars getting hit by buses as it is..
12-08-2012, 12:14 AM
Location: Wake County, NC
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]Which "progressive" cities are redesigning their transit to accommodate spraw[/b]l ?
If you'll look at Atlanta's transit (
MARTA - Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority ), the rail doesn't cover a majority of the city, it mainly goes north/south and east/west and in almost each case, it mirrors the interstate (I-85 N/S and I-20 E/W) with a few spur routes along highway 141.
Atlanta's other transit is city buses, which every metro has.
If you want to talk about a sprawling city with pretty decent transit, I think Dallas could be mentioned (
DART.org - Dallas Area Rapid Transit ) The trains in Dallas pretty much cover the entire city and include areas like Irvin and even Ft. Worth.
I'm not against investment in mass transit, I just don't think it's feasible for some areas, especially in cities where people value their vehicles over riding a train. I think if they expanded the current rail in Houston to outlying areas in the city, it would be BRUTAL on traffic.. we already have rail cars getting hit by buses as it is..
Our nations capital. And, like I mentioned before, Raleigh/Durham, but they are designing, not redesigning. I'm sure if I dug deeper I could find more.
Your reference to Dallas just pretty much killed your whole argument.
12-08-2012, 11:25 AM
Location: Houston, TX
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Your reference to Dallas just pretty much killed your whole argument.
Were you educated within the Florida school system ? You need help with reading comprehension. I specifically said "If you want to talk about a sprawling city with pretty decent transit, I think Dallas could be mentioned." I never said it shouldn't be done. I said it's not cost efficient for Florida.
Dallas/Ft. Worth is a larger metro, and both have larger city populations than Florida's largest city, Miami.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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