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Old 10-29-2007, 04:42 PM
 
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Well one day, I will eventually become a dentist, but if I do this plan, I won't have a career as the stay will only be about 1-2 years.

I do have a friend in Sarasota that own Mattison's City Grille, if any of you have heard of it. I could possibly work with him for a little bit, and if I did, then the Tampa area would probably be best right?
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Living in Paradise
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Well one day, I will eventually become a dentist, but if I do this plan, I won't have a career as the stay will only be about 1-2 years.

I do have a friend in Sarasota that own Mattison's City Grille, if any of you have heard of it. I could possibly work with him for a little bit, and if I did, then the Tampa area would probably be best right?

Many opportunities in the state, another choice but is long term is in the Reserve or National Guard and you get to travel...

Dentists held about 150,000 jobs in 2004. Employment was distributed among general practitioners and specialists as follows:
Dentists, general --128,000
Orthodontists --10,000
Oral and maxillofacial surgeons --6,000
Prosthodontists --1,000
Dentists, all other specialists --5,000

About one third of dentists were self-employed and not incorporated. Almost all dentists work in private practice. According to ADA, 78 percent of dentists in private practice are sole proprietors, and 14 percent belong to a partnership. A few salaried dentists work in hospitals and offices of physicians.

Employment of dentists is projected to grow about as fast as average for all occupations through 2014. Although employment growth will provide some job opportunities, most jobs will result from the need to replace the large number of dentists expected to retire. Job prospects should be good as new dentists take over established practices or start their own.

Median annual earnings of salaried dentists were $129,920 in May 2004. Earnings vary according to number of years in practice, location, hours worked, and specialty.

Self-employed dentists in private practice tend to earn more than do salaried dentists, and a relatively large proportion of dentists is self-employed. Like other business owners, these dentists must provide their own health insurance, life insurance, and retirement benefits.
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Ocala area in Central FL
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Sunrico,

Thanks for jumping in!

jessemh431,

I do have to note, that over the past decade plus, I have NOT personally seen any of the religious things posted. I have spent allot of my life time in that area of the state too. But it would not bother me, I have a very high tollerance to people, and try to get along with all the folks I meet!

Again, Good Luck Kid! You will be just fine, no matter where life takes you!
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:10 PM
 
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I don't know how anyone could miss the 3 wooden crosses being carried over the causeway every day. We saw it every single day we lived there!

And it really isn't anything to argue. Pensacola is widely noted as a very religious and conservative city. We lived it, we saw it. Google searching about the doctor who was killed, and the religious bent of Pensacola is easy to do.

Not sure why some need to argue something that is blatantly obvious. Pensacola is a very, very conservative city. I have lived all over the US and Pensacola ranks at the very top. And that is fine for those who like that.

But why on earth would a 20 year old Jewish college grad choose Pensacola over many other areas of Florida? It is ridiculous to even try and steer him that way.

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Old 10-29-2007, 08:16 PM
 
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Posting Synagogues in Pensacola? One of them has about 15 members. and one was vandalized several times in the 1990s.

Also, a Jewish cemetery was vandalized there:

New York Times August 25th, 2005: A Jewish cemetery in Florida was vandalized. Approximately 35 burial sites were damaged over the weekend in Pensacola, causing an estimated $30,000 in damages, said members of the Temple Beth-el Congregation, which manages the cemetery. Police are investigating the incident.

How about some doctors killed??

July 29, 1994, Florida: Former Presbyterian minister Paul Hill is arrested for shooting a doctor who performed abortions and his driver in front of an abortion clinic in Pensacola, Florida. It was the second slaying of a doctor over the issue of abortion in as many years in Pensacola. Hill was the founder of an extreme anti-abortion group known as Defensive Action.

That Christian College...imagine 5000 of these fanatics running around town!!

College That’s Strictly Different
Secretive Pensacola Christian controls student life with tough regulations and unwritten rules
By THOMAS BARTLETT

Pensacola, Fla.

The campus looks just like the glossy brochure: clean, green, and beautiful. The students are well dressed and well groomed, not a pair of jeans or scrappy goatee in sight. Inside the Commons building, two students engage in a spirited game of Ping-Pong. When one of them misses an easy shot, he cries, “Praise the Lord!”

Pensacola Christian College prides itself on being different, not just from secular colleges, but from fellow Christian ones, too. Some of those differences, like the way students dress, are obvious to any visitor. Others are not. Since its founding, more than 30 years ago, Pensacola has blossomed from a tiny Bible college into a thriving institution of nearly 5,000 students. Along the way it has become known as among the most conservative — and most secretive — colleges in the country.

Not to mention one of the strictest. The rules at Pensacola govern every aspect of students’ lives, including the books they read, the shoes they wear, the churches they attend, and the people they date. Many of those regulations are spelled out in a handbook sent to students after they enroll, but there are plenty of unwritten rules as well. Demerits are common and discipline swift.

It’s all in the name of preserving Pensacola’s “distinctives” — the word the college uses for what sets it apart. But many former students say the enforcement of the rules is often cruel and capricious. Dissent is never tolerated, they say, and expulsions for seemingly minor infractions are routine.

They also complain that Pensacola plays down (or never mentions) an important fact: It is not accredited. For many students, that lack of accreditation has not been a problem; for some, however, it has meant starting college over elsewhere or being rejected by employers.

In keeping with its distrust of outsiders, Pensacola’s administration declined repeatedly to comment for this article. A spokesman says college officials “don’t want to stir up a hornet’s nest.” But as interviews with dozens of current and former students make clear, the buzzing has already begun.

The Rule Book

Lisa Morris was walking to class with her boyfriend last October when something happened. At first Ms. Morris, a sophomore music major, is reluctant to divulge the details. Eventually, however, the truth comes out: He patted her behind.

Someone who witnessed the incident reported Ms. Morris and her boyfriend. At Pensacola any physical contact between members of the opposite sex is forbidden. (Members of the same sex may touch, although the college condemns homosexuality.) The forbidden contact includes shaking hands and definitely includes patting behinds. Both students were expelled.

Of Pensacola’s many rules, those dealing with male-female relationships are the most talked about. There are restrictions on when and where men and women may speak to each other. Some elevators and stairwells may be used only by women; others may be used only by men. Socializing on particular benches is forbidden. If a man and a woman are walking to class, they may chat; if they stop en route, though, they may be in trouble. Generally men and women caught interacting in any “unchaperoned area” — which is most of the campus — could be subject to severe penalties.

Those rules extend beyond the campus. A man and a woman cannot go to an off-campus restaurant together without a chaperon (usually a faculty member). Even running into members of the opposite sex off campus can lead to punishment. One student told of how a group of men and a group of women from the college happened to meet at a McDonald’s last spring. Both groups were returning from the beach (they had gone to separate beaches; men and women are not allowed to be at the beach together). The administration found out, and all 15 students were expelled.

Even couples who are not talking or touching can be reprimanded. Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as “optical intercourse” — staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as “making eye babies.” While the rule does not appear in written form, most students interviewed for this article were familiar with the concept.

As she tells it, Ms. Poirier was not gazing lovingly at her boyfriend; he had something in his eye. But officials didn’t buy her explanation, and she and her boyfriend were both “socialed,” she says.

There are three levels of official punishment at Pensacola (four, if you count expulsion). Students can be “socialed,” “campused,” or “shadowed.” Students who are socialed are not allowed to talk to members of the opposite sex for two weeks. Those who are campused may not leave the college grounds for two weeks or speak to other campused students.

Being shadowed is the worst of the three. Shadowed students are assigned to a “floor leader” for several days. A floor leader is a student who is paid by the college and has the power to issue demerits. Shadowed students must attend the floor leader’s classes and sleep in the floor leader’s room. During this time, the shadowed student is not allowed to talk to anyone but the floor leader. Shadowing is usually a prelude to expulsion.

Ms. Poirier was later told she would be shadowed after being spotted riding in a car in mixed company. She tried to explain that it was an innocent outing, but to no avail. When told she would be shadowed, Ms. Poirier decided to withdraw. “I said ’screw it’ and I left,” she says.

There are plenty of other ways to run afoul of the rules. Last spring Timothy Dow was caught playing the video game Halo 2. Such games are banned by the college. Movies are also forbidden, including those rated G. Music is restricted to classical or approved Christian (”contemporary Christian” artists are deemed too worldly). Students are allowed to watch television news at 6 o’clock, but that’s it. The TVs are controlled by college employees, who flip a switch to black out the commercials, lest students see anything inappropriate.

In the library, books and magazines are censored. One student says she saw a pair of black-marker boxer shorts on a photograph of Michelangelo’s David. Any books that students wish to read that are not in the library must first be approved by administrators. Those containing references to “magic,” for instance, are normally rejected. The rule book specifically prohibits “fleshly magazines and books.”

For playing the video game, Mr. Dow was campused. Later, in the cafeteria, he ran into a friend who had just been expelled. Mr. Dow had been told not to talk to his friend, who had previously been campused. But he figured it would be OK now that his friend was leaving. “I gave him a hug and said, ‘See you later, man,’” he says.

Someone witnessed the exchange and turned Mr. Dow in. Students routinely turn each other in for violating rules and are rewarded by the administration for doing so. According to several former students, those who report classmates are more likely to become floor leaders.

Mr. Dow was called to the office of the dean of men, where, he says, he waited for about four hours. Then he was expelled.

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Old 10-29-2007, 08:19 PM
 
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Also, posting Synagogues in Pensacola? One of them has about 15 members. and one was vandalized several times in the 1990s.

Also, a Jewish cemetery was vandalized there:
Well, that stuff happens down here too. There is no escaping from hate. Actually, Florida's first synagogue was established in Pensacola, but it's true, P'Cola is a very Christan-Conservative type of community. I heard the military communities are quite accepting though.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:27 PM
 
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Well, that stuff happens down here too. There is no escaping from hate. Actually, Florida's first synagogue was established in Pensacola, but it's true, P'Cola is a very Christan-Conservative type of community. I heard the military communities are quite accepting though.

Ft lauderdale, is a collection of everything.

5000 absolute extreme fanatics at that College...read the rule book, it is 1000 times worse than any Catholic school. Honestly, it is a cult and they are very active all over Pensacola.

Add to that the abortion doctor killings, the cemetery vandalism.

It is not a tolerant place and no place for a young Jewish kid to bother with. I lived there, I lived in Jupiter, I lived in Tampa, I lived in North Carolina, I lived in Philadelphia, I lived in Mass, I was born in deep Virginia.

I have never seen anything like Pensacola.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:35 PM
 
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Ft lauderdale, is a collection of everything.

5000 absolute extreme fanatics at that College...read the rule book, it is 1000 times worse than any Catholic school. Honestly, it is a cult and they are very active all over Pensacola.

Add to that the abortion doctor killings, the cemetery vandalism.

It is not a tolerant place and no place for a young Jewish kid to bother with. I lived there, I lived in Jupiter, I lived in Tampa, I lived in North Carolina, I lived in Philadelphia, I lived in Mass, I was born in deep Virginia.

I have never seen anything like Pensacola.
I mean, for this posters sake, I would tell them WPB, Fort Lauderdale, maybe Tampa, or forget Florida. It's just not relevant to recommend Pensacola or Ocala to a young Jewish male from west L.A.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:21 PM
 
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Where is that Christian College located. I looked it up on google earth and it says its like across the street from UWF. Is that true? I was thinking of applying there, but didn't. Man, am I glad I didn't apply to it, saved me some money.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:20 AM
 
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i live in pensacola and grew up an hour away from here, i am now in my 40's, but when i was in my 20's i stayed in L.A. 2 different times for 3 months. it is nothing like that here. it is a fairly reserved town, especially in winter and away from the beach. for 1000 to 1500 dollars amonth you could find a very nice place to live here, easy. most locals do not live on pensacola beach. we are 14 miles from the beach where i live,and that usually takes 30 to 45 minutes due to traffic and speed limits. the beach is actually in another town. you go thru gulf breee florida to get to the beach. i have lived in a lot of different places, and it,s not bad here. my wife and i are thinking of moving to the mountains in tennesse for a change of atmosphere, but for those who love beaches, these are some of the most beautiful anywhere. come visit and check it out. austin texas is also a great place to live, with many different cultures and arts. take care, from hounddogdm
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