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Well I am glad I decided on not making Palm Coast my next move after taking some advice this article just states the truth with no opinions
Front page news - newsjournalonline.com (broken link)
38 residential burglaries in just this past September? Thats more then one a day.
Wether or not this is gang related robberies or just plain old crime does not make it any better, also saying that with more population there is more crime is a ridiculous arguement as well. I live in a city 10 times the population of Palm Coast and if we hear of a break in once a month everyone is on guard, its certianly not an accepted everyday occurance.
The people who live there claiming its all roses should stop giving people on here poor advice and just present them the facts like the article above. It is cheaper but cheap housing comes at a price, perhaps your safety.
38 residential burglaries in just this past September? Thats more then one a day.
You wanna know something funny about burglary?
A city of 50 thousand averages about one burglary a day. A city of 100,000 averages about 2 burglaries a day. Three out of four American homes will be burglarized in this country in the next 25 years. You will see me talking about burglary a lot, because it's so ridiculous to think people can escape it. Burglaries happen everywhere more commonly than you would like to think. They happen in Paradise, North Carolina. They happen in Podunk, West Virginia. They happen in Taxes, New Jersey .They happen in Gods County, Tennessee. They happen in Cesspool, Broward County, Florida. They happen in Palm Coast, Florida. They are everywhere, and happen at LEAST every week in any area with a significant population of humans, and they probably happen more than you want to know in the town you are in right now. They are just so common that nobody talks about them in most towns.
If you desire, I will reference these stats.
You know what? For example, my town averaged 23.51 burglaries per 10,000 people in 2006. This ranks 19th lowest in the nation for it's size. Good perspective?Unless you are living in a localized area KNOWN for burglary, than you cant obsess over this stuff, and just take basic precautions like keeping your home's exterior well lit, activating a security system, keeping shrubbery trimmed so burglars can't hide, and, if you live in the ghetto, install burglar bars.
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A city of 50 thousand averages about one burglary a day. A city of 100,000 averages about 2 burglaries a day. Three out of four American homes will be burglarized in this country in the next 25 years.
Where on earth did you come up with those stats? Your percentages don't calculate.
Palm Coast has been touted as "Paradise." No surprise to see it's become what it was destined to be: a planned community with all the positive & negative aspects of the less monied parts of New York & New Jersey, where Palm Coast was first marketed. Now it's a small city with big city CRIME!!!! (And burglaries aren't the worst.)
Where on earth did you come up with those stats? Your percentages don't calculate.
Palm Coast has been touted as "Paradise." No surprise to see it's become what it was destined to be: a planned community with all the positive & negative aspects of the less monied parts of New York & New Jersey, where Palm Coast was first marketed. Now it's a small city with big city CRIME!!!! (And burglaries aren't the worst.)
Let me find the stats.
According to City-Data.com the average rate of burglary was around 736 per 100,000, representing an average of over two burglaries a day for a city of 100 thousand. The poster mentioned more than one burglary a day (in the low 30s per month) in Palm Coast, a city of 68,013. That's not a particularly high rate of burglary, actually fairly low. Davie, Florida (FL) Detailed Profile - relocation, real estate, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, news, sex offenders (I just picked a random city to find the national average)
I normally don't post about this issues, but lets talk.
A third teenager was arrested Thursday in the gang rape and assault of a mother and her 12-year-old son in a housing project, police said. Up to 10 masked teenagers raped and sodomized the woman and beat her son, police said. They also forced her at gunpoint to perform oral sex on the boy, she later told a TV station.
According to the article this is in West Palm Beach? Gangs in the area? This is as bad as a battle front. Are the locals and authorities taking back the area? Should they bring the Guardian Angels to patrol the area.? Your views....
The Gaurdian Angels would have to be armed to be in west Palm Beach . The gangs are usually heavely armed and will shoot to kill very quickly. I'm from Miami. Trust me i know. You need a joint venture from all the countys from Dade to Orange county to sweep that area. Trust me it's really bad. They are on something very different in that area. It's hard to describe. It's really sad and very dangerous. I pray that god will change there heart. It's really sad bra.
I definitely agree with the elimination of drug prohibition. Make it legal, make it corporate, tax it to death, and take the common street criminal out of the equation (with enough money left over for rehab clincs and educational programs)
So now you will have a bunch of poor criminals that are even less satisfied. In reality, that will just raise the violent crime and robberies if you take away drugs. Instead of 20 drug dealers in this neighborhood, you'll have 20 theives.
So now you will have a bunch of poor criminals that are even less satisfied. In reality, that will just raise the violent crime and robberies if you take away drugs. Instead of 20 drug dealers in this neighborhood, you'll have 20 theives.
I disagree. They get into drug dealing because it's easy money.
Think prohibition of alcohol. When it became legal again, crime went DOWN, significantly.
Anything that is arbitrarily prohibited by the government is going to cause a black market for the same. ESPECIALLY drugs like marijuana.
I normally don't post about this issues, but lets talk.
A third teenager was arrested Thursday in the gang rape and assault of a mother and her 12-year-old son in a housing project, police said. Up to 10 masked teenagers raped and sodomized the woman and beat her son, police said. They also forced her at gunpoint to perform oral sex on the boy, she later told a TV station.
According to the article this is in West Palm Beach? Gangs in the area? This is as bad as a battle front. Are the locals and authorities taking back the area? Should they bring the Guardian Angels to patrol the area.? Your views....
traditional african village retaliation when women assert themselves and go to cops or authorities bout a problem or take matters into their own hands. tribal behavior.
happens here too in the rough part of town.
lots of this stuff fits outside of the white middle class mind set and seems over the top. huge number of rapes are unreported.
What is the "big city" crime? Are young girls being grabbed off the streets and raped, attacked and beaten? Are there drive bys? Gang wars? Random acts of violence? The biggest problem we have in Palm Coast are B&Es. How many random robberies and murders are there? If we have any murders they have been acts of passion by a known assailant and that only happend once in a year's time.
I guess you are ok with breaking and enterings? Actually below you can find most of the crimes you listed happening in your backyard. Here are some articles which I would like to see before considering a move. Again very cheap housing and taxes look like a dream, until you realize it may be at you or your families safety.
Dispensing sugarcoated non factual advice to others because you already made the mistake of moving you or your family to a high crime and possible unsafe area is doing them a disservice and probably not the intent of this forum.
Here is some truth to the stats on crime there: (broken link)
Volusia, Flagler crime stats roller coaster from '06 to '07
By LYDA LONGA
Staff Writer
What a difference half a year makes, at least when it comes to crime.
For Volusia County the first six months of this year saw a 9.4 percent dive in major crimes such as aggravated assaults and burglaries, according to the semiannual crime statistics released recently by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
That's a hefty turnaround from the first half of 2006 when the county's crime was up 17.2 percent overall.
Although Flagler's crime is still on the upswing for the first half of this year, the increase is a lot lower than during the first part of 2006 when crime skyrocketed by 49.2 percent.
The state did not fare as well with a 3.9 percent increase; Florida saw a slight decrease in crime during the first six months of 2006.
The highest increases and decreases in crime for areas posting more than 100 incidents for the first six months of the year were both in Flagler County. In Volusia, though, DeLand showed the highest decrease in overall crime with a 34.1 percent plunge.
The crimes included murder, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary and larceny.
Some findings by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for major crimes -- murder, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary and larceny committed from January-June:
FLORIDA: 3.9 percent increase
VOLUSIA COUNTY: 9.4 percent decrease
FLAGLER COUNTY: 5.3 percent increase
HIGHEST LOCAL INCREASE*: Flagler County Sheriff's Office, 24.9 percent
HIGHEST LOCAL DECREASE*: Bunnell Police Department, 59.6 percent decrease
"Flagler County Crime is out of control! Why? We are tired of the same ole' "population has increased, juveniles have nothing to do" response. You have the money and resources to do the job,
Sheriff Fleming, now do it!"
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Drive-by shootings, violent home invasion robberies, skyrocketing auto theft and a triple digit increase in murders. Sounds like Detroit or South-Central L.A.. In reality it is Flagler County. We know that the quality of life is far better here than most other places. We are also aware that for the most part Flagler County is a "safe" community. Not nearly as safe as it used to be and could be again.
People may argue with us and suggest it is a sign of the times, with growth comes crime. That's not true, it is an excuse perpetrated by ineffective law enforcement leaders. We have a rare opportunity with Flagler County, we can put an end to the skyrocketing crime rates. It takes a pro-active approach, an aggressive campaign of varying tactics in order to cripple the problem. It takes education, enforcement, consequences and aggressive prosecution.
The deputies at FCSO are skilled and very well trained, as they have been for many years. They know what to do, however they cannot do it alone. It takes more, much more than patrol officers on the street answering calls. Much more than Sheriff Fleming speaking at the local social clubs. It takes a tough, hard nosed leader who will deploy every imaginable resource to combat the problems.
How can FCSO combat the climbing crime rate?
For starters the FCSO needs to identify and coordinate all of the repeat offenders. Coordinate efforts with the Department of Corrections-Probation and Parole to violate the offenders for every misstep. Send a message, "if you are fortunate enough to be on probation, you will be held accountable to the terms".
Additionally, combat the drug abuse and distribution. Everyone knows the City of Bunnell for years has been a haven for drug dealers. Admittedly, there has been an increased effort lately to combat the problem, it needs to be done more often. Continuous presence in the problem areas. Aggressive patrol and strike teams need to be deployed in the problem areas. Work with the local housing authorities to remove the felony offenders from the area. Punish those who allow their homes to become safe-havens for the drug dealers. Post the offenders in the media let them know they are being watched. Bike and foot patrols in the congested transient high crime/drug areas. No, this is not the beginning of a "police state", it needs to be a formidable force which will not strike only when an election is near. Relentless enforcement is the only effective way of dealing with the revolving door of drug peddlers.
Coordinate efforts with the State Attorney's Office, to increase prosecution, increase prison sentences for violent offenders. Encourage aggressive community involvement and for goodness sake rebuild the relationships with the other govenmental agencies alienated by the FCSO.
Is this Palm Coast County?
Focus on Flagler Beach, Daytona North, Espanola and the Hammock area, as well. Granted Palm Coast has the vast majority of the population however the crime is county wide. Bunnell is not the only area with a drug problem, just the most obvious.
Are more deputies on the street the answer?
Normally the answer would be partially yes, however Sheriff Fleming has been funded for additional deputies. Sheriff Fleming for some reason has not hired them. Why fund an agency which will not
Hey "Thinking of Moving" how about moving on and finding your "perfect" town...possibly Walgreen's will let you into their "Town of Perfect". Unless you have an ulterior motive to continuing on with all this.
I've been here 10 yrs and know quite a few people who have had no rapes, burglaries, muggings, murders etc...that you are so worried. If this area isn't for you then "move on".
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(And burglaries aren't the worst.)
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