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An attitude that tourism and seasonal snowbirds who create ton's of low paying jobs, is Florida's only means and good enough, is not a road paved with gold for the future as what we see here now will not exist in the future...sure there will be people with money but most people in their 40's and below are under different times than their parents, pensions are a rarity, savings at a all time low and etc. These gated communities filled to the gills with brand new Cadillac driving 60 year old retirees who have bottomless bank accounts and take cruises all the time are a dying breed. Based on the trends in South Florida, housing and COL, incomes and the quality of jobs need to rise. The baby boomer economy will not last forever...
In addition the money laundering based real estate economy is going to end. I have been preaching the virtues of high tech, high paid jobs and good investment returns on tech startups as the only hope for the area. Instead we see tons of white elephant real estate investment that will be tomorrow's slums. Real estate does not produce wealth, it is just a symptom of a FIRE economy.
Instead Florida should cut regulations and encourage investment in biofuels, artificial photosynthesis, high tech farming, thorium energy and semiconductor production. Florida can stil be a sun and fun destination but as mentioned above, the baby boomers are being sucked dry and will not be able to support Florida's inflated economy. The collapse of the US economy will sink foreign countries who rely on resource extraction and cut off the seemingly endless supply of funny money to float Miami real estate. Detroit today is Miami's future without a real. productive economy. We need science and the technology engineering and mathematice to solve peak oil and resource depletion. Not wasting more energy and resources on gated communities and Brickell condos.
An attitude that tourism and seasonal snowbirds who create ton's of low paying jobs, is Florida's only means and good enough, is not a road paved with gold for the future as what we see here now will not exist in the future...sure there will be people with money but most people in their 40's and below are under different times than their parents, pensions are a rarity, savings at a all time low and etc. These gated communities filled to the gills with brand new Cadillac driving 60 year old retirees who have bottomless bank accounts and take cruises all the time are a dying breed. Based on the trends in South Florida, housing and COL, incomes and the quality of jobs need to rise. The baby boomer economy will not last forever...
It might not be a road paved in gold, but it has built the best damn quality roads I've rode on in this country. Where I live just about everyone is successful, and enjoys living life, and they're tons of communities across Florida that are the same. Maybe where you live it might be so depressing that you only talk about the bad, but that is surly not everywhere in this great state.
In addition the money laundering based real estate economy is going to end. I have been preaching the virtues of high tech, high paid jobs and good investment returns on tech startups as the only hope for the area. Instead we see tons of white elephant real estate investment that will be tomorrow's slums. Real estate does not produce wealth, it is just a symptom of a FIRE economy.
Instead Florida should cut regulations and encourage investment in biofuels, artificial photosynthesis, high tech farming, thorium energy and semiconductor production. Florida can stil be a sun and fun destination but as mentioned above, the baby boomers are being sucked dry and will not be able to support Florida's inflated economy. The collapse of the US economy will sink foreign countries who rely on resource extraction and cut off the seemingly endless supply of funny money to float Miami real estate. Detroit today is Miami's future without a real. productive economy. We need science and the technology engineering and mathematice to solve peak oil and resource depletion. Not wasting more energy and resources on gated communities and Brickell condos.
You have the right idea, sadly though most will never take off their rose tinted glasses and agree...
It might not be a road paved in gold, but it has built the best damn quality roads I've rode on in this country. Where I live just about everyone is successful, and enjoys living life, and they're tons of communities across Florida that are the same. Maybe where you live it might be so depressing that you only talk about the bad, but that is surly not everywhere in this great state.
The USA ranks way below most other civilized nations in terms of infrastructure and quality of roads. That's another topic, but that's not my point, it's the future of the State and what it banks itself on now and what it's not planning for once the baby boomers die off.
No, where I live is not depressing, not even close:
Again though I'm not speaking for myself. Florida has been good to me, but I just happen to work in an industry that is lucrative and should say very lucrative here. The only difference is I look beyond the confines of my lifestyle and success, unlike most who do not know what exists outside their gated enclaves and do not really care. Maybe it's because I came from nothing and worked hard to get through school and in my career?
I work with a lot of HNW people here and elsewhere, business owners small to large, I see their employees, financials, and etc. I know what a lot of average people are making and it's not a lot and I see how people are doing in public, because I'm very social, my network is large and I'm always meeting new people in business and when I'm out in public. When I find out the bartender I just met has a masters degree in such and such and cannot find a job here, or the waiter who serves me at a fine restaurant is just as well educated but cannot find a job. Many think it will happen sooner or later, holding out hope to stay here and live the Margaritaville Lifestyle while eventually landing that high paying job, most are dreaming beyond reasonable thinking...with regards to STEM many are Engineering grads too, working at Car Dealers or trying other ventures outside of STEM fields, face it many STEM grads do not even end up or work in STEM all the time and this has been well documented.
I also have many people in my network who lived here and work/worked in STEM fields, a few left, some are still here. I got insider info or experiences from these people on STEM the most and a lot of discussions over a glass of wine or a beer involved work and the area support of it. These people, all did very well and were very successful in their chosen field for the most part, some were not so lucky. The reasoning is complicated, but many worked at Motorola which at one time was a large employer in the South Florida region, but has since downsized immensely and no influx of other STEM related companies have came in to pick-up the slack, so many of these people are left with no choice but to leave because they cannot even find work or anything that pay's a similar wage, some took big pay cuts to stay here...
Since the high paying jobs are elsewhere what would cause the people you refer to stay here and take jobs below their previous income levels?
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Originally Posted by THX 1138
The USA ranks way below most other civilized nations in terms of infrastructure and quality of roads. That's another topic, but that's not my point, it's the future of the State and what it banks itself on now and what it's not planning for once the baby boomers die off.
No, where I live is not depressing, not even close:
Again though I'm not speaking for myself. Florida has been good to me, but I just happen to work in an industry that is lucrative and should say very lucrative here. The only difference is I look beyond the confines of my lifestyle and success, unlike most who do not know what exists outside their gated enclaves and do not really care. Maybe it's because I came from nothing and worked hard to get through school and in my career?
I work with a lot of HNW people here and elsewhere, business owners small to large, I see their employees, financials, and etc. I know what a lot of average people are making and it's not a lot and I see how people are doing in public, because I'm very social, my network is large and I'm always meeting new people in business and when I'm out in public. When I find out the bartender I just met has a masters degree in such and such and cannot find a job here, or the waiter who serves me at a fine restaurant is just as well educated but cannot find a job. Many think it will happen sooner or later, holding out hope to stay here and live the Margaritaville Lifestyle while eventually landing that high paying job, most are dreaming beyond reasonable thinking...with regards to STEM many are Engineering grads too, working at Car Dealers or trying other ventures outside of STEM fields, face it many STEM grads do not even end up or work in STEM all the time and this has been well documented.
I also have many people in my network who lived here and work/worked in STEM fields, a few left, some are still here. I got insider info or experiences from these people on STEM the most and a lot of discussions over a glass of wine or a beer involved work and the area support of it. These people, all did very well and were very successful in their chosen field for the most part, some were not so lucky. The reasoning is complicated, but many worked at Motorola which at one time was a large employer in the South Florida region, but has since downsized immensely and no influx of other STEM related companies have came in to pick-up the slack, so many of these people are left with no choice but to leave because they cannot even find work or anything that pay's a similar wage, some took big pay cuts to stay here...
I work with a lot of HNW people here and elsewhere, business owners small to large, I see their employees, financials, and etc. I know what a lot of average people are making and it's not a lot and I see how people are doing in public, because I'm very social, my network is large and I'm always meeting new people in business and when I'm out in public. When I find out the bartender I just met has a masters degree in such and such and cannot find a job here, or the waiter who serves me at a fine restaurant is just as well educated but cannot find a job. Many think it will happen sooner or later, holding out hope to stay here and live the Margaritaville Lifestyle while eventually landing that high paying job, most are dreaming beyond reasonable thinking...with regards to STEM many are Engineering grads too, working at Car Dealers or trying other ventures outside of STEM fields, face it many STEM grads do not even end up or work in STEM all the time and this has been well documented.
I also have many people in my network who lived here and work/worked in STEM fields, a few left, some are still here. I got insider info or experiences from these people on STEM the most and a lot of discussions over a glass of wine or a beer involved work and the area support of it. These people, all did very well and were very successful in their chosen field for the most part, some were not so lucky. The reasoning is complicated, but many worked at Motorola which at one time was a large employer in the South Florida region, but has since downsized immensely and no influx of other STEM related companies have came in to pick-up the slack, so many of these people are left with no choice but to leave because they cannot even find work or anything that pay's a similar wage, some took big pay cuts to stay here...
The bartenders and waiters with a master's degree is a phenomenon happening all over the country, even in places where the economy is better. I live in a wealthy suburb of Indianapolis with an unemployment rate of slightly over 3%. I can count at least one bartender with a master's who is 25, another guy at the brewery who is bartending just got his degree and is living with his mom, and I went out with a 36 year old woman with an MEd who is making $11/hr at a daycare. Friday night, I went out with a girl who just turned 18 in May is making $10/hr at a preschool. You can try to move the needle in your favor, but one cannot guarantee success.
I met people in wealthy Boston just like this. I'm from rural TN and have applied for jobs in FL, and I've received many more call backs in central/south FL than I ever did in TN. I work in tech, but don't have a STEM degree.
I can't think of any STEM degree holder I know personally who lives in a major urban area and is stuck flipping burgers, bartending, or whatever. I doubt that reality is much different in south FL. It is completely different in rural America.
The USA ranks way below most other civilized nations in terms of infrastructure and quality of roads. That's another topic, but that's not my point, it's the future of the State and what it banks itself on now and what it's not planning for once the baby boomers die off.
No, where I live is not depressing, not even close:
Again though I'm not speaking for myself. Florida has been good to me, but I just happen to work in an industry that is lucrative and should say very lucrative here. The only difference is I look beyond the confines of my lifestyle and success, unlike most who do not know what exists outside their gated enclaves and do not really care. Maybe it's because I came from nothing and worked hard to get through school and in my career?
I work with a lot of HNW people here and elsewhere, business owners small to large, I see their employees, financials, and etc. I know what a lot of average people are making and it's not a lot and I see how people are doing in public, because I'm very social, my network is large and I'm always meeting new people in business and when I'm out in public. When I find out the bartender I just met has a masters degree in such and such and cannot find a job here, or the waiter who serves me at a fine restaurant is just as well educated but cannot find a job. Many think it will happen sooner or later, holding out hope to stay here and live the Margaritaville Lifestyle while eventually landing that high paying job, most are dreaming beyond reasonable thinking...with regards to STEM many are Engineering grads too, working at Car Dealers or trying other ventures outside of STEM fields, face it many STEM grads do not even end up or work in STEM all the time and this has been well documented.
I also have many people in my network who lived here and work/worked in STEM fields, a few left, some are still here. I got insider info or experiences from these people on STEM the most and a lot of discussions over a glass of wine or a beer involved work and the area support of it. These people, all did very well and were very successful in their chosen field for the most part, some were not so lucky. The reasoning is complicated, but many worked at Motorola which at one time was a large employer in the South Florida region, but has since downsized immensely and no influx of other STEM related companies have came in to pick-up the slack, so many of these people are left with no choice but to leave because they cannot even find work or anything that pay's a similar wage, some took big pay cuts to stay here...
Are you honestly saying that I don't know what life is like for the worst!? I came from the worst of the worst, but I made it! I still don't understand what you are getting at, I have been to many places across the nation, and I don't see how Florida is worse.
We need to improve and expand mass transit in South Florida, if we want to have any hope of competing with other major (and medium) US cities for the kind of fresh, young talent that STEM requires.
Are you honestly saying that I don't know what life is like for the worst!? I came from the worst of the worst, but I made it! I still don't understand what you are getting at, I have been to many places across the nation, and I don't see how Florida is worse.
I can come up with two dozen places that are worse than any where in FL using a variety of factors.
Frankly I think you are overly concerned with money. You seem to always refer to the highly educated and those whose wealth is much more than the average person. They are a small percentage of the population compared to the average American worker. The state of FL willl do fine in the decades ahead as the "baby boomers' will be replaced by another set of people. Some average, some educated, some with high paying jobs and many more who have nothing more than a desire to do the best they can with what they have. I also feel that you think too highly of yourself.
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Originally Posted by THX 1138
The USA ranks way below most other civilized nations in terms of infrastructure and quality of roads. That's another topic, but that's not my point, it's the future of the State and what it banks itself on now and what it's not planning for once the baby boomers die off.
No, where I live is not depressing, not even close:
Again though I'm not speaking for myself. Florida has been good to me, but I just happen to work in an industry that is lucrative and should say very lucrative here. The only difference is I look beyond the confines of my lifestyle and success, unlike most who do not know what exists outside their gated enclaves and do not really care. Maybe it's because I came from nothing and worked hard to get through school and in my career?
I work with a lot of HNW people here and elsewhere, business owners small to large, I see their employees, financials, and etc. I know what a lot of average people are making and it's not a lot and I see how people are doing in public, because I'm very social, my network is large and I'm always meeting new people in business and when I'm out in public. When I find out the bartender I just met has a masters degree in such and such and cannot find a job here, or the waiter who serves me at a fine restaurant is just as well educated but cannot find a job. Many think it will happen sooner or later, holding out hope to stay here and live the Margaritaville Lifestyle while eventually landing that high paying job, most are dreaming beyond reasonable thinking...with regards to STEM many are Engineering grads too, working at Car Dealers or trying other ventures outside of STEM fields, face it many STEM grads do not even end up or work in STEM all the time and this has been well documented.
I also have many people in my network who lived here and work/worked in STEM fields, a few left, some are still here. I got insider info or experiences from these people on STEM the most and a lot of discussions over a glass of wine or a beer involved work and the area support of it. These people, all did very well and were very successful in their chosen field for the most part, some were not so lucky. The reasoning is complicated, but many worked at Motorola which at one time was a large employer in the South Florida region, but has since downsized immensely and no influx of other STEM related companies have came in to pick-up the slack, so many of these people are left with no choice but to leave because they cannot even find work or anything that pay's a similar wage, some took big pay cuts to stay here...
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