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Wasn't there a major one in San Francisco area in 1989 and just last year didn't the Napa Valley have a 6.0, too? It is sort of like the hurricanes....you tend to underplay them unless you happened to be there and have damage caused by them.
I wasborn and raised in CA. A 6.0 earthquake was not a big deal. I was right near the epicenter of a 7.2 and that shook things up a bit to say the least and did a lot of damage, but 6.0 is a wake up call. Can't count the number of 6 and under I experienced as a child on up. No big deal, unless of course you aren't used to them.
Gosh I couldn't wait to move out of Florida!!! Trash, homeless everywhere, crime, a revolving door -no thanks!
So I moved back to Denver-thank you!!!
Oh yeah...Denver...trash, homeless people everywhere, crime, a revolving door and oh the smell of pot everywhere....
I'm admitting it right here....huge mistake. Once I finish school (3 classes) I will probably consider moving back to the Tampa area (Palm Harbor or Denedin). I made more $ in Florida than I do in Denver. Florida may have it's problems but having a crap economy is not one of them
Oh yeah...Denver...trash, homeless people everywhere, crime, a revolving door and oh the smell of pot everywhere....
Denver-Boulder is one of the most highly educated, highest-income, healthiest, safest major metropolitan areas in the entire country.
Also, while Denver may be home to many transplants, they're usually much better educated, higher-income, and better-traveled than transplants in just about city in Florida, especially Tampa. Transplants who fit that profile tend to be less transient and more unsettled than those who are low-income, uneducated and/or unskilled, and want to live near the beach/theme parks (i.e., most transplants who move to Florida).
Also, most people move to the Denver area for educational and/or professional pursuits *and* to take advantage of the many outdoor recreational opportunities easily accessible to residents of the metro area; people don't move to Denver in retirement, to work in the hospitality sector for $10/hour with no benefits, or because they're running from someone or something in their past or previous place of residence, so it's a lot less "revolving-door" than most cities in Florida and certainly Tampa.
That's not to mention that most Colorado natives are deeply "dyed-in-the-wool" and are fiercely proud and defensive of their state. Most wouldn't live elsewhere, especially in a flat, buggy, humid, swampy place like Florida, rent-free with paid utilities.
Florida, OTOH, is home to more apathetic natives who are often prouder to be the children of transplants from elsewhere than to be from Florida. I just highlighted an example of this on C-D with Rabflmom not too long ago. Florida natives don't seem too thrilled to be living in Florida, either, and most would probably move out, if given the opportunity. I feel like I met more native Floridians in Colorado than I ever did in the 12 years I actually lived in Florida.
Furthermore, most transplants in Florida are there because they want to live near the beach with warm weather and sunshine for [relatively] cheap or because they just want a bigger/newer/cheaper home, not because they *love* Florida or even particularly care for it. Most transplants in Florida, especially those from the Northeast, complain ad nauseum about the state and all purportedly doesn't offer. Please.
I don't understand the homeless comment, either, especially since Tampa has a much larger homeless population than Denver due to it's much less harsh climate. However, unless you live and work in an urban area or are homeless yourself, the latter of which I highly doubt if you're a frequent poster on City-Data.com, then it's truly a non-issue.
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Florida may have it's problems but having a crap economy is not one of them
However, this is where you really lose all credibility.
Florida has, perhaps, one of the worst economies of any state in the entire country. For such a populous state, Florida has a comparatively low GDP, mostly due to it's service-oriented economy with a strong hospitality and tourism orientation and a very limited corporate presence.
As the economic center or "hub city" of the Intermountain West region, Denver serves as the regional headquarters of many national and even multinational corporations, so there are far more regional offices and a much larger corporate presence in general in Denver than Tampa. In the Southeast US, Atlanta serves this function, not Tampa.
I'll also mention that Denver is a very highly educated city and tends to attract top talent from Colorado, the Intermountain West region, and even the entire US to work in the tech, oil & gas, higher education and, to a lesser extent, finance--all industries that are represented by a highly educated, talented workforce. Not to mention the local talent coming out of UC-Boulder or UC-Denver is, far and away, better educated and more talented than any graduate coming out of a ghetto, glorified community college like USF.
In contrast, Florida mostly offers low-wage service-sector jobs that pay anywhere in the range of $9-$15/hour. Low-to-mid-skill and associate-level jobs are probably the most adversely affected types of jobs by the disproportionate salaries in Florida. If you have a bachelor's degree and don't work in healthcare, be prepared to work in financial services, insurance or real estate (FIRE) for average compensation of $35k/year.
The Florida RTW laws fosters low participation in laborers' unions. With limited union representation, the collective bargaining that fosters competitive salaries and wages is largely absent from the Florida economy. This means that largely unionized employees such as teachers, nurses, medical assistants, et al. are often less competitively compensated in Florida than in many other states, especially in the North and West.
The lack of collective bargaining also affects non-wage benefits as well, which are often more limited and less comprehensive in Florida than elsewhere. Prior to the Employer Mandate of the ACA, many employers in Florida offered their employees no health insurance. When I first moved to Florida from Rhode Island in the mid-90's, I was shocked to learn that many office workers in Florida had no health benefits. Even more shocking, many health care workers such as CNA's and home health aides, who expose themselves to disease and illness every single day, had no health insurance.
I estimate that at least 1/4 of the US population has seriously considered moving Florida at some point or another as well as many people from all over the [third] world because of the warm weather and the generally low COL. Coupled with the burgeoning population of around 20 million residents and general lack of abundant [quality] employment in many sectors such as tech, finance, manufacturing, trade and oil & gas to name a handful, competition for employment in Florida in all sectors and at all levels of the food chain is very fierce. Therefore, the economy of Florida is, in essence, a monopsony, where employers can "have their pick of the litter."
Question for you: Why are you moving back to Florida specifically? I've never met someone who lived in Florida, moved away and then moved back, unless they grew up there. Honestly, it would be more worth your while to move to another Southeastern state like Georgia or North Carolina that offer economies with more breadth and depth and salaries and wages that are more proportionate to COL.
Question for you: Why are you moving back to Florida specifically? I've never met someone who lived in Florida, moved away and then moved back, unless they grew up there. Honestly, it would be more worth your while to move to another Southeastern state like Georgia or North Carolina that offer economies with more breadth and depth and salaries and wages that are more proportionate to COL.
You really don't like Florida, huh? I'm not sure I've seen you say a positive thing about the state.
Very few occupations pay less than $35k a year. The unemployment rate in FL was 5.5% in March 2015.
People dont leave places where they are doing well to relocate anywhere, People relocate for a better lifestyle and opportunity. That is why FL continues to grow.
Those who couldnt make it in FL are those who would not make it anywhere.
Denver-Boulder is one of the most highly educated, highest-income, healthiest, safest major metropolitan areas in the entire country.
Also, while Denver may be home to many transplants, they're usually much better educated, higher-income, and better-traveled than transplants in just about city in Florida, especially Tampa. Transplants who fit that profile tend to be less transient and more unsettled than those who are low-income, uneducated and/or unskilled, and want to live near the beach/theme parks (i.e., most transplants who move to Florida).
Also, most people move to the Denver area for educational and/or professional pursuits *and* to take advantage of the many outdoor recreational opportunities easily accessible to residents of the metro area; people don't move to Denver in retirement, to work in the hospitality sector for $10/hour with no benefits, or because they're running from someone or something in their past or previous place of residence, so it's a lot less "revolving-door" than most cities in Florida and certainly Tampa.
That's not to mention that most Colorado natives are deeply "dyed-in-the-wool" and are fiercely proud and defensive of their state. Most wouldn't live elsewhere, especially in a flat, buggy, humid, swampy place like Florida, rent-free with paid utilities.
Florida, OTOH, is home to more apathetic natives who are often prouder to be the children of transplants from elsewhere than to be from Florida. I just highlighted an example of this on C-D with Rabflmom not too long ago. Florida natives don't seem too thrilled to be living in Florida, either, and most would probably move out, if given the opportunity. I feel like I met more native Floridians in Colorado than I ever did in the 12 years I actually lived in Florida.
Furthermore, most transplants in Florida are there because they want to live near the beach with warm weather and sunshine for [relatively] cheap or because they just want a bigger/newer/cheaper home, not because they *love* Florida or even particularly care for it. Most transplants in Florida, especially those from the Northeast, complain ad nauseum about the state and all purportedly doesn't offer. Please.
I don't understand the homeless comment, either, especially since Tampa has a much larger homeless population than Denver due to it's much less harsh climate. However, unless you live and work in an urban area or are homeless yourself, the latter of which I highly doubt if you're a frequent poster on City-Data.com, then it's truly a non-issue.
However, this is where you really lose all credibility.
Florida has, perhaps, one of the worst economies of any state in the entire country. For such a populous state, Florida has a comparatively low GDP, mostly due to it's service-oriented economy with a strong hospitality and tourism orientation and a very limited corporate presence.
As the economic center or "hub city" of the Intermountain West region, Denver serves as the regional headquarters of many national and even multinational corporations, so there are far more regional offices and a much larger corporate presence in general in Denver than Tampa. In the Southeast US, Atlanta serves this function, not Tampa.
I'll also mention that Denver is a very highly educated city and tends to attract top talent from Colorado, the Intermountain West region, and even the entire US to work in the tech, oil & gas, higher education and, to a lesser extent, finance--all industries that are represented by a highly educated, talented workforce. Not to mention the local talent coming out of UC-Boulder or UC-Denver is, far and away, better educated and more talented than any graduate coming out of a ghetto, glorified community college like USF.
In contrast, Florida mostly offers low-wage service-sector jobs that pay anywhere in the range of $9-$15/hour. Low-to-mid-skill and associate-level jobs are probably the most adversely affected types of jobs by the disproportionate salaries in Florida. If you have a bachelor's degree and don't work in healthcare, be prepared to work in financial services, insurance or real estate (FIRE) for average compensation of $35k/year.
The Florida RTW laws fosters low participation in laborers' unions. With limited union representation, the collective bargaining that fosters competitive salaries and wages is largely absent from the Florida economy. This means that largely unionized employees such as teachers, nurses, medical assistants, et al. are often less competitively compensated in Florida than in many other states, especially in the North and West.
The lack of collective bargaining also affects non-wage benefits as well, which are often more limited and less comprehensive in Florida than elsewhere. Prior to the Employer Mandate of the ACA, many employers in Florida offered their employees no health insurance. When I first moved to Florida from Rhode Island in the mid-90's, I was shocked to learn that many office workers in Florida had no health benefits. Even more shocking, many health care workers such as CNA's and home health aides, who expose themselves to disease and illness every single day, had no health insurance.
I estimate that at least 1/4 of the US population has seriously considered moving Florida at some point or another as well as many people from all over the [third] world because of the warm weather and the generally low COL. Coupled with the burgeoning population of around 20 million residents and general lack of abundant [quality] employment in many sectors such as tech, finance, manufacturing, trade and oil & gas to name a handful, competition for employment in Florida in all sectors and at all levels of the food chain is very fierce. Therefore, the economy of Florida is, in essence, a monopsony, where employers can "have their pick of the litter."
Question for you: Why are you moving back to Florida specifically? I've never met someone who lived in Florida, moved away and then moved back, unless they grew up there. Honestly, it would be more worth your while to move to another Southeastern state like Georgia or North Carolina that offer economies with more breadth and depth and salaries and wages that are more proportionate to COL.
As a nativo for 54 years all of this is sadly true!
Denver-Boulder is one of the most highly educated, highest-income, healthiest, safest major metropolitan areas in the entire country.
Also, while Denver may be home to many transplants, they're usually much better educated, higher-income, and better-traveled than transplants in just about city in Florida, especially Tampa. Transplants who fit that profile tend to be less transient and more unsettled than those who are low-income, uneducated and/or unskilled, and want to live near the beach/theme parks (i.e., most transplants who move to Florida).
Also, most people move to the Denver area for educational and/or professional pursuits *and* to take advantage of the many outdoor recreational opportunities easily accessible to residents of the metro area; people don't move to Denver in retirement, to work in the hospitality sector for $10/hour with no benefits, or because they're running from someone or something in their past or previous place of residence, so it's a lot less "revolving-door" than most cities in Florida and certainly Tampa.
That's not to mention that most Colorado natives are deeply "dyed-in-the-wool" and are fiercely proud and defensive of their state. Most wouldn't live elsewhere, especially in a flat, buggy, humid, swampy place like Florida, rent-free with paid utilities.
Florida, OTOH, is home to more apathetic natives who are often prouder to be the children of transplants from elsewhere than to be from Florida. I just highlighted an example of this on C-D with Rabflmom not too long ago. Florida natives don't seem too thrilled to be living in Florida, either, and most would probably move out, if given the opportunity. I feel like I met more native Floridians in Colorado than I ever did in the 12 years I actually lived in Florida.
Furthermore, most transplants in Florida are there because they want to live near the beach with warm weather and sunshine for [relatively] cheap or because they just want a bigger/newer/cheaper home, not because they *love* Florida or even particularly care for it. Most transplants in Florida, especially those from the Northeast, complain ad nauseum about the state and all purportedly doesn't offer. Please.
I don't understand the homeless comment, either, especially since Tampa has a much larger homeless population than Denver due to it's much less harsh climate. However, unless you live and work in an urban area or are homeless yourself, the latter of which I highly doubt if you're a frequent poster on City-Data.com, then it's truly a non-issue.
However, this is where you really lose all credibility.
Florida has, perhaps, one of the worst economies of any state in the entire country. For such a populous state, Florida has a comparatively low GDP, mostly due to it's service-oriented economy with a strong hospitality and tourism orientation and a very limited corporate presence.
As the economic center or "hub city" of the Intermountain West region, Denver serves as the regional headquarters of many national and even multinational corporations, so there are far more regional offices and a much larger corporate presence in general in Denver than Tampa. In the Southeast US, Atlanta serves this function, not Tampa.
I'll also mention that Denver is a very highly educated city and tends to attract top talent from Colorado, the Intermountain West region, and even the entire US to work in the tech, oil & gas, higher education and, to a lesser extent, finance--all industries that are represented by a highly educated, talented workforce. Not to mention the local talent coming out of UC-Boulder or UC-Denver is, far and away, better educated and more talented than any graduate coming out of a ghetto, glorified community college like USF.
In contrast, Florida mostly offers low-wage service-sector jobs that pay anywhere in the range of $9-$15/hour. Low-to-mid-skill and associate-level jobs are probably the most adversely affected types of jobs by the disproportionate salaries in Florida. If you have a bachelor's degree and don't work in healthcare, be prepared to work in financial services, insurance or real estate (FIRE) for average compensation of $35k/year.
The Florida RTW laws fosters low participation in laborers' unions. With limited union representation, the collective bargaining that fosters competitive salaries and wages is largely absent from the Florida economy. This means that largely unionized employees such as teachers, nurses, medical assistants, et al. are often less competitively compensated in Florida than in many other states, especially in the North and West.
The lack of collective bargaining also affects non-wage benefits as well, which are often more limited and less comprehensive in Florida than elsewhere. Prior to the Employer Mandate of the ACA, many employers in Florida offered their employees no health insurance. When I first moved to Florida from Rhode Island in the mid-90's, I was shocked to learn that many office workers in Florida had no health benefits. Even more shocking, many health care workers such as CNA's and home health aides, who expose themselves to disease and illness every single day, had no health insurance.
I estimate that at least 1/4 of the US population has seriously considered moving Florida at some point or another as well as many people from all over the [third] world because of the warm weather and the generally low COL. Coupled with the burgeoning population of around 20 million residents and general lack of abundant [quality] employment in many sectors such as tech, finance, manufacturing, trade and oil & gas to name a handful, competition for employment in Florida in all sectors and at all levels of the food chain is very fierce. Therefore, the economy of Florida is, in essence, a monopsony, where employers can "have their pick of the litter."
Question for you: Why are you moving back to Florida specifically? I've never met someone who lived in Florida, moved away and then moved back, unless they grew up there. Honestly, it would be more worth your while to move to another Southeastern state like Georgia or North Carolina that offer economies with more breadth and depth and salaries and wages that are more proportionate to COL.
I lose all credibility??? Oh well you must be from the Denver chamber of commerce?? Wow sorry....I'm just here making 40% LESS than I was making in Florida (Tampa)-
Guess what since Denver is a mecca of educated people....Denver's wages are not keeping up!!! And the COL is ridiculus-the average home price is 402k.
I am about to graduate with a second bachelor degree in accounting (I'm in my last 2 classes)-I have HR expereince and accounting experience (which I received in Florida) and I have been searching for a job for almost 2 years! I make less than 40k and I also have terrible benefits. I have networked, gone to job fairs and met with recruiters (which I'm told Denver has the second highest population of accounting employees) and I was told...with a laugh...ha that line forms to the left.
I have been recruited for accounting positions where??? Oh Tampa...paying 15k MORE than here....
I left Florida because of a relationship ending and I own a home here (which is a saving grace since the average rent here is almost 1400 a month).
So since you know so much about Denver please tell me how to obtain a better paying position...and yes I am looking at other states as well because being in my prime earning years $19.84 an hour isn't cutting it.
Denver-Boulder is one of the most highly educated, highest-income, healthiest, safest major metropolitan areas in the entire country.
Also, while Denver may be home to many transplants, they're usually much better educated, higher-income, and better-traveled than transplants in just about city in Florida, especially Tampa. Transplants who fit that profile tend to be less transient and more unsettled than those who are low-income, uneducated and/or unskilled, and want to live near the beach/theme parks (i.e., most transplants who move to Florida).
Also, most people move to the Denver area for educational and/or professional pursuits *and* to take advantage of the many outdoor recreational opportunities easily accessible to residents of the metro area; people don't move to Denver in retirement, to work in the hospitality sector for $10/hour with no benefits, or because they're running from someone or something in their past or previous place of residence, so it's a lot less "revolving-door" than most cities in Florida and certainly Tampa.
That's not to mention that most Colorado natives are deeply "dyed-in-the-wool" and are fiercely proud and defensive of their state. Most wouldn't live elsewhere, especially in a flat, buggy, humid, swampy place like Florida, rent-free with paid utilities.
Florida, OTOH, is home to more apathetic natives who are often prouder to be the children of transplants from elsewhere than to be from Florida. I just highlighted an example of this on C-D with Rabflmom not too long ago. Florida natives don't seem too thrilled to be living in Florida, either, and most would probably move out, if given the opportunity. I feel like I met more native Floridians in Colorado than I ever did in the 12 years I actually lived in Florida.
Furthermore, most transplants in Florida are there because they want to live near the beach with warm weather and sunshine for [relatively] cheap or because they just want a bigger/newer/cheaper home, not because they *love* Florida or even particularly care for it. Most transplants in Florida, especially those from the Northeast, complain ad nauseum about the state and all purportedly doesn't offer. Please.
I don't understand the homeless comment, either, especially since Tampa has a much larger homeless population than Denver due to it's much less harsh climate. However, unless you live and work in an urban area or are homeless yourself, the latter of which I highly doubt if you're a frequent poster on City-Data.com, then it's truly a non-issue.
However, this is where you really lose all credibility.
Florida has, perhaps, one of the worst economies of any state in the entire country. For such a populous state, Florida has a comparatively low GDP, mostly due to it's service-oriented economy with a strong hospitality and tourism orientation and a very limited corporate presence.
As the economic center or "hub city" of the Intermountain West region, Denver serves as the regional headquarters of many national and even multinational corporations, so there are far more regional offices and a much larger corporate presence in general in Denver than Tampa. In the Southeast US, Atlanta serves this function, not Tampa.
I'll also mention that Denver is a very highly educated city and tends to attract top talent from Colorado, the Intermountain West region, and even the entire US to work in the tech, oil & gas, higher education and, to a lesser extent, finance--all industries that are represented by a highly educated, talented workforce. Not to mention the local talent coming out of UC-Boulder or UC-Denver is, far and away, better educated and more talented than any graduate coming out of a ghetto, glorified community college like USF.
In contrast, Florida mostly offers low-wage service-sector jobs that pay anywhere in the range of $9-$15/hour. Low-to-mid-skill and associate-level jobs are probably the most adversely affected types of jobs by the disproportionate salaries in Florida. If you have a bachelor's degree and don't work in healthcare, be prepared to work in financial services, insurance or real estate (FIRE) for average compensation of $35k/year.
The Florida RTW laws fosters low participation in laborers' unions. With limited union representation, the collective bargaining that fosters competitive salaries and wages is largely absent from the Florida economy. This means that largely unionized employees such as teachers, nurses, medical assistants, et al. are often less competitively compensated in Florida than in many other states, especially in the North and West.
The lack of collective bargaining also affects non-wage benefits as well, which are often more limited and less comprehensive in Florida than elsewhere. Prior to the Employer Mandate of the ACA, many employers in Florida offered their employees no health insurance. When I first moved to Florida from Rhode Island in the mid-90's, I was shocked to learn that many office workers in Florida had no health benefits. Even more shocking, many health care workers such as CNA's and home health aides, who expose themselves to disease and illness every single day, had no health insurance.
I estimate that at least 1/4 of the US population has seriously considered moving Florida at some point or another as well as many people from all over the [third] world because of the warm weather and the generally low COL. Coupled with the burgeoning population of around 20 million residents and general lack of abundant [quality] employment in many sectors such as tech, finance, manufacturing, trade and oil & gas to name a handful, competition for employment in Florida in all sectors and at all levels of the food chain is very fierce. Therefore, the economy of Florida is, in essence, a monopsony, where employers can "have their pick of the litter."
Question for you: Why are you moving back to Florida specifically? I've never met someone who lived in Florida, moved away and then moved back, unless they grew up there. Honestly, it would be more worth your while to move to another Southeastern state like Georgia or North Carolina that offer economies with more breadth and depth and salaries and wages that are more proportionate to COL.
Well-put. Florida is politically devoted to poverty and corporate welfare.
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