[bale002]

Originally Posted by Happiness-is-close

All I'm saying is the underemployment crisis in our state is something that cannot be ignored, yet our governor loves to sweep it under the rug.

I made this post because Rick Scott has sounded like a parrot all week squawking about Florida's job growth. Anyone with a hint of education and computer literacy can call out his fallacy. And I'm just spreading awareness.

The human brain is spherical and is capable of thinking in 360 directions all at once, just as the earth spins. Really.

Did it ever occur to you that underemployment and jobs growth, including all kinds of job growth, and a decline in the participation rate, as well as other phenomena, can all be occurring at the same time?

And, as the earth and the brain spin, we all put our own spin on it, in accordance with our own perceptions and agendas, including government officials, at all levels.

And, again, this underemployment thing is not Florida-specific, it is common among all countries of early industrialization for reasons that are well known.


So, then, as for Mr. Scott, he is a politician, what do you expect him to say about his own record as governor?

Spin, spin, spin.

[RedneckRebel]

Originally Posted by Happiness-is-close

All I'm saying is the underemployment crisis in our state is something that cannot be ignored, yet our governor loves to sweep it under the rug.

I see people in this thread expressing sympathy. I also see people throwing blame at various demographics in society. Blame whatever but this magnitude of underemployment has never been a part of this states economy prior to the last recession.

This effects all of us. I work in hospital revenue cycle and just today alone I rolled probably $50,000 worth of ER bills to a self pay status because the patients didn't have health insurance (that's an average day, and I work with a moderately sized team. Each of us does the same). 99% of those bills are not going to be paid. They are going to sit in self pay for six months, then they will go to collections and still not get paid, and then within two years the debt will be written off and the state government will reimburse us for treating the patients. The few non impoverished workers our state has are covering the medical expenses of the poor, and poor are skyrocketing in number because of rising income inequality. Medicaid expansion could have helped this issue.

I made this post because Rick Scott has sounded like a parrot all week squawking about Floridas job growth. Anyone with a hint of education and computer literacy can call out his fallacy. And I'm just spreading awareness.

Barack Obama does the same thing thing, U6 for the nation is at recession high too, and participation rates are near record lows. Wheres your post bashing the President?

[BNBR]

Originally Posted by Happiness-is-close

All I'm saying is the underemployment crisis in our state is something that cannot be ignored, yet our governor loves to sweep it under the rug.

I see people in this thread expressing sympathy. I also see people throwing blame at various demographics in society. Blame whatever but this magnitude of underemployment has never been a part of this states economy prior to the last recession.

This effects all of us. I work in hospital revenue cycle and just today alone I rolled probably $50,000 worth of ER bills to a self pay status because the patients didn't have health insurance (that's an average day, and I work with a moderately sized team. Each of us does the same). 99% of those bills are not going to be paid. They are going to sit in self pay for six months, then they will go to collections and still not get paid, and then within two years the debt will be written off and the state government will reimburse us for treating the patients. The few non impoverished workers our state has are covering the medical expenses of the poor, and poor are skyrocketing in number because of rising income inequality. Medicaid expansion could have helped this issue.

I made this post because Rick Scott has sounded like a parrot all week squawking about Floridas job growth. Anyone with a hint of education and computer literacy can call out his fallacy. And I'm just spreading awareness.

The problem with the "income inequality" talking point is that LESS people are moving into the lower classes and more into the upper classes. The lower income class is shrinking, statistically. It's an inconvenient fact when you are trying to complain about your Bernie Sanders talking point, while bashing Rick Scott, but it's the truth.

[smarino]

The last figures I saw recently said 5% unemployment. Everyone figures this differently, and not counting those who were on unemployment, and are still unemployed after it ran out, is totally rigged. But there's jobs for sure. Our president has turned the Bush/Cheney disaster around, in case no one else has noticed.

[Majami]

Originally Posted by smarino

The last figures I saw recently said 5% unemployment. Everyone figures this differently, and not counting those who were on unemployment, and are still unemployed after it ran out, is totally rigged. But there's jobs for sure. Our president has turned the Bush/Cheney disaster around, in case no one else has noticed.

What did he do exactly to generate jobs?

[Majami]

There will always be an underclass who hogs resources at the bottom. Let's not kid ourselves that jobs will solve the issue. Most of them are not employable and never will be.

So unless we start to get tough with them (denying them entry into a hospital if they have taken services before without paying), we will continue as taxpayers to support them.

I think we need a smarter middle-ground where we find a use for them to society even though they are unemployable. For example we can allow pharmaceutical companies to test new medicines on them (that passed some preliminary standards), etc. The more competent ones should be forced to tar roads, and work public goods projects until they pay their debts.

[Happiness-is-close]

Originally Posted by Majami

There will always be an underclass who hogs resources at the bottom. Let's not kid ourselves that jobs will solve the issue. Most of them are not employable and never will be.

So unless we start to get tough with them (denying them entry into a hospital if they have taken services before without paying), we will continue as taxpayers to support them.

I think we need a smarter middle-ground where we find a use for them to society even though they are unemployable. For example we can allow pharmaceutical companies to test new medicines on them (that passed some preliminary standards), etc. The more competent ones should be forced to tar roads, and work public goods projects until they pay their debts.

That is called Serfdom, and our constitution forbids it, as it does other forms of slavery. So your idea is not an option.

[Vacanegro]

Originally Posted by Majami

There will always be an underclass who hogs resources at the bottom. Let's not kid ourselves that jobs will solve the issue. Most of them are not employable and never will be.

So unless we start to get tough with them (denying them entry into a hospital if they have taken services before without paying), we will continue as taxpayers to support them.

I think we need a smarter middle-ground where we find a use for them to society even though they are unemployable. For example we can allow pharmaceutical companies to test new medicines on them (that passed some preliminary standards), etc. The more competent ones should be forced to tar roads, and work public goods projects until they pay their debts.

Trump needs you in his administration...

[Majami]

Originally Posted by Happiness-is-close

That is called Serfdom, and our constitution forbids it, as it does other forms of slavery. So your idea is not an option.

What do you call prisoners?

Technically, if someone defaults on their debt, they're a criminal. We can start treating them as such, but humanely, instead of throwing them in jail or shutting the hospital doors on them, require them to do some work.

[Happiness-is-close]

Originally Posted by Majami

What do you call prisoners?

Technically, if someone defaults on their debt, they're a criminal. We can start treating them as such, but humanely, instead of throwing them in jail or shutting the hospital doors on them, require them to do some work.

Defaulting on debt is not a crime. And you are proposing we force these people, many of whom are mentally and physically sick, into slavery. No. I'd advise you keep that idea to anonymous internet boards too. Not gonna find a lot of good feed back on that idea.