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Old 08-10-2016, 03:13 PM
 
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Where? As I noted, my friends have not found many at all.
South Beach. There's a large synagogue.
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:37 AM
 
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I'd strongly recommend the OP look at Southeast Florida. A lot of liberal Jews there. So what if it costs a couple extra bucks, they would be buying piece of mind.
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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South Beach. There's a large synagogue.
She can't afford it and is not interested in synagogues.
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:55 AM
 
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If you're looking for the most politically liberal and diverse crowd, hanging out with Jewish people in FL is NOT going to achieve that goal. If you're not religious and don't plan on going to synagogue, there is no other reason to seek out a larger Jewish population in FL. ]
You're kidding, right?

For economy I snipped your post but NO, John McCain did NOT represent Conservatives. LOL I love hearing Liberals explain what's Conservative. Just for starters, McCain has a 52% scorecard by Heritage. And it would have been much worse except he only took 20 votes out of 39. He voted YES to fund the BUDGET, fund PP, to create a NATIONAL ZONING BOARD, more "fed energy policies", resurrection of the import export bank, No Child Left Behind until 2021!....the list is long and opposing 29 NO votes of Heritage.

Furthermore, like most Democrats - it's not unusual for people to avoid the almost 60% of Orthodox synagogue attendees who are Republicans. There are religious Jews and semi religious Jews and not religious Jews. And I'd estimate at least 1/3 are not affiliated with a synagogue. That doesn't mean they don't participate and search out the Culture of Judaism.

Are you a Gentile trying to explain Jews?

A Portrait of Jewish Americans | Pew Research Center

HOW did you write that huge wall of text but you claim "your friends" can't find Jews in SE FL? I mean it's hilarious. Start with MIAMI and work your way up to Jupiter.

Last time I heard, South Palm Beach alone was the 10th largest Jewish community in the country.

http://www.realfloridajewishdirector..._palmbeach.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...da#cite_note-3

http://www.jta.org/2014/10/13/news-o...ain-since-1975

http://www.realfloridajewishdirector...ype=miami-dade

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Old 08-11-2016, 09:58 AM
 
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Asking where in FL you can find Democrats only is like asking where in FL you can live where its not so humid.
Exactly.

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Old 08-11-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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thanks, everyone. I can see how our being democrats is the most important thing to deal with. I am going to check out Pinellas county, Hillsborough, Wilton Manors, Palm Beach Gardens and St. Petersburg. Any other suggestions?
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Old 08-14-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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HOW did you write that huge wall of text but you claim "your friends" can't find Jews in SE FL? I mean it's hilarious. Start with MIAMI and work your way up to Jupiter.

You are ignorant as hell, so it's not worth trying to address any of the nonsense you wrote in that wall of nonsense. However, this particular question boggles the mind - no one here EVER said they can't find Jews in SE FL. Apparently you have shockingly poor reading comprehension, but what was said was that Jews in FL are not necessarily liberal politically, and finding large groups of politically and socially liberal Jews in any part of FL is difficult, where it is not in NYC. The entire point of this thread, which I'm not sure why you're even on because you have not taken the time to read its contents carefully or to address any relevant answers [since you apparently know nothing about either liberal Jews or liberal people in general in FL - two topics which I know a great deal about personally], is for the OP to find out where to choose to live in FL to find a large concentration of DIVERSE and LIBERAL people on the WEST COAST of Florida! No one ever said that can't be found, nor that Jews can't be found in SFL. What WAS said, is that large concentrations of liberal JEWISH people are quite hard to find, and are generally not worth it for the OP.

Your rant about how many politically conservative Orthodox people there are in SE Florida couldn't possibly be less relevant or useful to the OP, who is a secular liberal Jew interested in a diverse and open community on the West coast of FL.

Try actually reading before you post next time - this is embarrassing.
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Old 08-14-2016, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Tampa Bay Area Florida
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We are Jewish lived on the East Coast of Florida for 4 years, boca in specific..we will be moving back to Florida however in the Tampa Area this time! We dont care too much how Jewish it is or isnt

Good Luck
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Old 08-17-2016, 03:37 PM
 
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In NYC (particularly Manhattan and the inner boroughs), strangers often strike up conversations on the subway platforms about subjects like Black Lives Matter, LGBT rights, or other current issues that affect daily life - and everyone knows ahead of time that everyone will pretty much feel as passionately as they do and share the same opinion, so it can be spoken about in a friendly and bonding way.
You have an immensely naive, almost childishly idealized view of Manhattan and NYC.

Is NYC mostly Democrat-leaning? Absolutely. 5.7mm NYC residents are registered Democrats... but there are also 2.7mm NYC Republicans, too, and you're a helluva lot more likely to encounter them in Manhattan than you are in the Bronx.

The idea that you can strike up a conversation on a random train stop and know ahead of time that 'everyone feels as passionately as they do about Black Lives Matter' (or whatever variant you want on the point you were expressing) is utterly absurd and indicates that you have, quite literally, never been within 100 miles of a subway platform in NYC even though you nevertheless write in lavish detail about their socio-political nuances.

Maybe if it's one blue-haired cat lady talking to a pink haired cat lady, sure, but I would posit that red-pilled conservatives in NYC tend to be a much darker shade of Red than those in the burbs... and they're definitely not 'ignorant' about the basis for their opinions, either.

You write so many words yet ultimately reveal that you know next to nothing.
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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This sounds very nice, but it's just not true. For many, politics are not a hobby, they are a reflection of one's values in life. Either you believe that all people are equal and should have the same protection under the law, or you believe that it is right to discriminate and treat other people differently based on their sexual orientation, religion, or skin color. People who have a strong political view will tend to have far more things in common with other people who share that strong political view. It's not that you can't be friendly with people who have differing opinions, but if their core values differ wildly from your own, you are never going to become very close with them, and you are going to feel very lonely never finding anyone to talk to who gets you - whereas where you came from, basically everybody you met instantly got you and your point of view. In NYC (particularly Manhattan and the inner boroughs), strangers often strike up conversations on the subway platforms about subjects like Black Lives Matter, LGBT rights, or other current issues that affect daily life - and everyone knows ahead of time that everyone will pretty much feel as passionately as they do and share the same opinion, so it can be spoken about in a friendly and bonding way. Suddenly moving to a place where you can't speak to anyone about all of what is happening in the world around you because they will spew out a bunch of hate for people who are your friends, or because you will end up in an argument and feel totally misunderstood and not trusted, is very isolating and disturbing.

Many Southerners feel the same way upon moving to NYC, where they suddenly feel they can't speak as casually as they could about topics they are used to, and like no one gets them or trusts them. They too, end up feeling lonely and out of place.

Despite the ongoing insistence of quite a few in this forum that SE Florida is so "liberal," note that 1) in actuality SE Florida counties are swing counties, and even when there is a majority voting Democrat, both sides are very close to 50%. People are staunchly Right Wing or staunchly Centrist, with not that many people staunchly to the Left. If the GOP didn't consistently put out Right Wing nutjobs, many of the Centrist people would probably choose to vote Republican. People who are from NYC do NOT find Miami very liberal AT ALL. By comparison, it is an extremely conservative and openly racist city. In 2012 for example, 82% of Manhattan voted Democrat. By comparison, only 61% of Miami-Dade did. And that was in a year with an incumbent Democratic presidential candidate, which means typically that Democrats would typically have an advantage. That represents a marked difference in political and social environment between the two cities. It means that everyone you meet on the street is not going to automatically share similar values to you, and that a large percentage are staunchly in the middle, or far to the right. That is not true of living in most of NYC (except the outer sections of boroughs that are more suburban).

The 2008 presidential race in particular is a pretty good barometer of Florida's values, because Senator McCain represented the core values of most conservatives pretty well, and Senator Obama represented the core values of most liberals pretty well. And at the time, neither had an incumbent advantage exactly - although Bush was in office, McCain was not Bush. Some could argue that Sen. Obama had an advantage, because the country' economy had tanked under Bush - if that did in fact give him an advantage, then these numbers are skewed more Democratic than they would normally be (but that's hard to say, because in a financial panic people tend to seek out the familiar in an incumbent party). 2)Anyway, no FL county elected President Obama in what you might call a landslide exactly. 3) There were only 15 counties that voted a majority for Obama, with a vast majority voting McCain. Of the 15 that voted Blue, most were actually very close to 50-50 in the vote. The state of FL is overwhelmingly to the Right (and in most cases, to the FAR Right). The counties with the highest percentages voting for President Obama were actually Gadsden county in the Panhandle with 69%; Leon with 61%; Alachua county, also in the North, with 60%; Palm Beach county with 61%; and Broward county with 67%. Miami-Dade came in at only 58%, and Monroe County (the Keys) came in at only 52%. By comparison, Manhattan voted at 85% for President Obama. Not a single county in FL got anywhere close to that. [For reference, San Francisco voted 84% for Obama, and Baltimore City and Prince George's Counties in Maryland voted 87%, and 89% respectively.]

Can McCain and Obama be friendly? Sure they can! Are they going to be best friends? Likely not. Their core beliefs and life experiences are just utterly different.


OP, for a guide to where you might find the best political fit for you, check out this Politico election map of Florida by county for 2008: Election Map 2008 | Detailed Presidential, Congressional and Gubernatorial Election Results - Politico.com
And also the election results for 2012 by FL county: Florida Election Results 2012 - Map, County Results, Live Updates - POLITICO.com

In SE Florida, the county with the highest mix of people and more liberal views would be Broward, with the Wilton Manors area known to be the most liberal. It is also the most openly gay area in Florida, which may or may not work for you. But it's no Greenwich Village exactly.

Note that on the West coast specifically, 4) the most liberal counties (the ONLY ones that voted a majority Blue in 2008), are: Pinellas County (53%) and Hillsborough County (51%). But 5) I have friends who are very liberal in Tampa, St. Pete, and Clearwater, and so far they have found the areas to be uncomfortably conservative.
That said, if you really want to live in FL, move anywhere that you can afford and EMBRACE it - the more people who do, the more you will find who share your views.

If you're looking for the most politically liberal and diverse crowd, hanging out with Jewish people in FL is NOT going to achieve that goal. If you're not religious and don't plan on going to synagogue, there is no other reason to seek out a larger Jewish population in FL. Generally speaking, if that's what you're worried about when you say you want "religious diversity," most people in Florida are not going to freak out because you're Jewish, even in the most conservative counties. On the other hand, some people in the most conservative counties WILL freak out because you're liberal, because you have friends of diverse skin tones or sexual orientations, or god forbid if you mention anything at all about restricting guns. Even restricting the sale of machine guns to children on the internet is apparently akin to locking a person up with no due process and throwing away the key. It is a "freedom" to kill whoever you want here, as long as your skin tone is lighter than a paper bag of course... [A white person who kills someone is "defending themselves," or "mentally ill" - regardless of whether they invoke the name of Jesus or God ever in their life before killing. A person with dark skin killing someone white is "violent and targeting white people" or if they kill someone with dark skin it is dismissed as "more Black on Black crime" with no other justification or investigation needed. If the person is Muslim, no matter what their skin tone is and who they killed, they are a "self-radicalized terrorist." If you want to know the views of most of Florida, just watch FNews for a shortcut... complete with the rampant and aggressive sexism.]
So much wrong with this post idk where to start. I guess I'll just work my way down with a few highlights

1) You must be joking, south Fl is not a swing region in any sense. No SEFL county has gone republican in any presidential election since 1988 (when virtually the whole country did, including California), and the elections have not been close either as you insinuate. The 2016 election saw Hillary win PB county 56%-41% (despite strong Trump connections in that county), Broward county 66%-31%, and Miami-Dade 63%-33%, and that was closer in SFL than past elections. Further SFL congressional districts are totally dominated by democrats. And while yes there are staunch conservatives, the opposite end of the political spectrum is also very staunchly liberal, not centrist in any way. I live here, I would know. Also the Dade county conservatives are not traditional conservatives, they are mainly Cuban exiles who vote republican for anti-castro pro-embargo policies first and foremost.

2) So? Counties are big, some areas are liberal, others are slightly more conservative. Just because you might live in a swing county does not mean your neighborhood is chockfull of everyone on the political spectrum. In Hillsborough county, the city of Tampa and rural eastern Hillsborough are world's apart, absolutely nothing in common demographically, politically, or culturally.

3) Which is totally irrelevant since all of the counties with population centers were blue, except for Duval in north FL which nobody here suggested for OP. Who won Florida again? Oh yeah, Obama. Who cares if a bunch of rural counties with relatively few people are republican, you won't ever intermingle with them living in the cities.

4) Obama won 53% of the Hillsborough vote in 2008, not 51. And once again, you ignore the fact that it is a big county with very different areas. Op is Jewish and a democrat. She would probably enjoy life in urban cosmopolitan liberal south Tampa which happens to have a decent size and growing Jewish community with synagogues, JCC's, and kosher grocery stores. On the flip side, I'm sure she would be miserable as a token Jew in rural conservative eastern Hillsborough. On the other side of the bay in Pinellas, St pete is super liberal and very hipster these days with a San Francisco vibe. Northern pinellas however is more suburban and right leaning

5) I call bs here. I am from Tampa and a democrat as well, and there is not one area in any of those 3 cities that is "uncomfortably conservative", hell theres hardly anywhere in those cities that you could even call conservative period, maybe moderate for a few suburban parts of the outer fringes of those cities, especially Clearwater, but not conservative. A lot of the most far left liberal hipster types I know live in Tampa and St Pete. Now if you said Tampa Bay area, then yes there are some very redneck areas in the aforementioned eastern Hillsborough, Pasco, eastern Manatee, etc.

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