[BeachBum87]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

SCOTUS does not write an opinion when they refuse to review a case, you didn't know that?

You should be able to access the article using this link https://outline.com/HDva4s If you want other sources try google, I'm not going to waste my time looking for sources that you consider acceptable, but guess what? google is your friend. https://www.google.com/search?newwin....0.TQOnN1-bbUo

You keep sending me to a WashPro article. I'm not going to bother.

I want you to explain in your own words what the USSC refusing to hear a case on a state gun regulation has to say about any potential federal gun regulation. I hope you're aware there is a big difference. In one case, it's democratically decided by the individuals in the state, in another the Federal government is overriding the will of people in other states.

[Dd714]

Originally Posted by dfwuno

He was referring to previous posts saying everything and anything is protected by the 2nd Amendment. It has been pointed out many times that the Amendment is not absolute even by very conservative people and courts including SCOTUS. It was a point well made.

Ah OK. I was not involved in that particular discussion.

I'm actually the guy that supports raising the gun buying age and the ban on bump stocks.

[BeachBum87]

Originally Posted by staywarm2

Why are you personally against bannng Bump stocks?

Because I'm against banning anything just because someone misused it. I don't own bump stocks, have never used bump stocks, and don't see any foreseeable future where I'd want one but that doesn't mean I want to ban them.

Banning things is just stupid in my opinion. And it infringes on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Not to mention, bump stocks were used in just one mass shooting. We're not even facing an epidemic, yet people want to ban it.

[dfwuno]

Originally Posted by BeachBum87

Because I'm against banning anything just because someone misused it. I don't own bump stocks, have never used bump stocks, and don't see any foreseeable future where I'd want one but that doesn't mean I want to ban them.

Banning things is just stupid in my opinion. And it infringes on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Not to mention, bump stocks were used in just one mass shooting. We're not even facing an epidemic, yet people want to ban it.

And why did the government ban the sale of ammonium nitrate after the Oklahoma City bombing. It was only one bombing and only a few hundred died. It really infringes on my right to green up my yard every spring. What is your number for shootings and deaths before something should be classified as an epidemic?

[BeachBum87]

Originally Posted by dfwuno

And why did the government ban the sale of ammonium nitrate after the Oklahoma City bombing. It was only one bombing and only a few hundred died. It really infringes on my right to green up my yard every spring. What is your number for shootings and deaths before something should be classified as an epidemic?

Whataboutism. You complain about when I do with it alcohol and turn around and do it with ammonium nitrate. But to be specific, they didn't ban it, they just require you get on a list if you buy it in large quantities. It was also used in more than one bombing. The original WTC bombing used it as well.

In the case of bump stocks they were used only ONCE. And it's not even clear if they enhanced the death rate.

Certainly, I don't want them banned. I think it's such a stupid reaction and people who push it, I think poorly of them.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by dfwuno

And why did the government ban the sale of ammonium nitrate after the Oklahoma City bombing. It was only one bombing and only a few hundred died. It really infringes on my right to green up my yard every spring. What is your number for shootings and deaths before something should be classified as an epidemic?

We still use ammonium nitrate as a fertilizer.

[britinspain]

Originally Posted by BeachBum87

Whataboutism. You complain about when I do with it alcohol and turn around and do it with ammonium nitrate. But to be specific, they didn't ban it, they just require you get on a list if you buy it in large quantities. It was also used in more than one bombing. The original WTC bombing used it as well.

In the case of bump stocks they were used only ONCE. And it's not even clear if they enhanced the death rate.

Certainly, I don't want them banned. I think it's such a stupid reaction and people who push it, I think poorly of them.

Instead of deflecting and trying to show something else is worse than guns or somewhere else is also bad can you come up with a way to lower gun crime / deaths and mass shootings as this is what we all want really ?

[BeachBum87]

Originally Posted by britinspain

Instead of deflecting and trying to show something else is worse than guns or somewhere else is also bad can you come up with a way to lower gun crime / deaths and mass shootings as this is what we all want really ?

Gun crimes and deaths have been trending lower for the last 20-30 years in this country. They're currently the lowest they've been since the 50s.

And while we may want no gun crime - I certainly don't want anything banned to accomplish that. Sometimes, there is no solution and we can accept that.

[dfwuno]

Originally Posted by BeachBum87

Whataboutism. You complain about when I do with it alcohol and turn around and do it with ammonium nitrate. But to be specific, they didn't ban it, they just require you get on a list if you buy it in large quantities. It was also used in more than one bombing. The original WTC bombing used it as well.

In the case of bump stocks they were used only ONCE. And it's not even clear if they enhanced the death rate.

Certainly, I don't want them banned. I think it's such a stupid reaction and people who push it, I think poorly of them.

I can not buy pure ammonium nitrate anywhere and doubt you can either. Fertilizers with ammonium nitrate maybe but not 100%. Again how many shootings and or deaths using a bump stock is enough to cause a looking at banning them?

[BeachBum87]

Originally Posted by dfwuno

I can not buy pure ammonium nitrate anywhere and doubt you can either. Fertilizers with ammonium nitrate maybe but not 100%.

McVeigh used fertilizer not pure nitrate.

Again how many shootings and or deaths using a bump stock is enough to cause a looking at banning them?

For me, there is no number. I would never be in favor of banning them. Happy? But doesn't change the fact that they were only used once, and you people still want to ban them. Which shows you just want to ban everything no matter its impact.