[MrJester]

Ultra-liberal California is just as much of an environmental disaster. Los Angeles, Fresno, or Bakersfield are usually tops when it comes to air pollution. Don't forget suburban sprawl in the Inland Empire and Central Valley, or the nasty, algae-infested, dying San Joaquin River, or massive wildfires last year that totaled $13 billion in damage (only one tenth of Harvey's damage, but when you consider the wildfires affected an incredibly small segment of California's population, the damage is astounding.)

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

So what? The US has dropped their emissions and will continue to drop them..and right now, the US is only responsible for 15% of all global emissions..and that will continue to fall
...while China has doubled theirs....and China alone is responsible for twice as much...30%...China's emissions will continue to rise.....and they and the rest of the developing countries...India, Russia, etc. 75% of global emissions... get a free pass

Again, a large chunk of Chinese greenhouse gas emissions results from production of consumer and other goods for export, particularly to the U.S.

Additionally, the Chinese are aggressively moving to reduce carbon emissions.

If you want to consider the rest of the world, the U.S. has by far the largest per capita greenhouse gas emissions, even more so if all of our import of consumer and other goods is considered.

The U.S. is less than 5 percent of the global population.

If one considers accumulated greenhouse gas emissions, as noted the U.S. dwarfs the remainder of the world.

See post 101 for a discussion of how the Chinese are acting to aggressively slash greenhouse emissions compared to relative inaction in the U.S.

While the Trump administration is attempting to gut electric vehicle development in the U.S., the Chinese are aggressively pursuing electric vehicle development.

<<In its fight to cap carbon emissions and improve urban air quality, China has emerged as the world’s No. 1 market for EVs and is determined to lead the trend in electrification. The country has set up a target to increase sales of new-energy vehicles 10-fold to 7 million units annually by 2025, including plug-in hybrids, pure-electric and fuel-cell vehicles.>>

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-cars-in-china

By rolling back CAFE standards, the Trump administration would reduce demand for electric vehicles, which in the future were viewed as a means of storing vast amounts of electricity generated by solar and wind power in states such as CA.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/2/1718147...tandards-tesla

https://phys.org/news/2018-05-electr...y-storage.html

Of course, if you ignore the consequences of the likes of mushrooming wildfires, toxic algal blooms, more powerful hurricanes, increased droughts and massive flooding, etc., unchecked burning of fossil fuels is a great deal. Of course, climate change deniers, unlike Florida's mayors, see global sea rise due to both warming oceans and global ice melt, both confirmed by empirical data, as no big consequence.

https://www.businessinsider.com/miam...lutions-2018-4

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/pol...177433831.html

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Sea levels are rising as a result of global warming,.

Not in the state of Florida it's not.

The effects of CO2 are logarithmic...the more you add...the less effect it has
....the most effect from additional CO2 has already happened
and it has had zero effect on sea level rise in Florida

The rate of sea level rise in Florida is exactly the same as it has been for the past 100 years....
...less than 1 inch a decade
The rate started before Global warming...stayed the same when CO2 increases would have had the most effect...and is still the exact same rate

expat, go to this NOAA link for Tides and Currents...click on any station on the Florida map...if it shows "trends" in the popup box...

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/ma...region=Florida

...........click on trends and it will give you a chart that looks like this one from Key West

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl..._meantrend.png

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

If you want to consider the rest of the world, the U.S. has by far the largest per capita greenhouse gas emissions, .

Per capita means nothing unless you trying to steal someone's money...global warming and the effects of CO2 does not care how much money you make...that's reparations again

global warming only cares about emissions

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Is this from Breitbart or something of that ilk or do you actually have a reference to a peer-reviewed study documenting this claim?

Which part?
History of red tide in Florida.....will get you Florida's red tide history
The great African drought of 1879...will get you African drought history
current events...will get you the current African drought
Miami air quality...will get you the Miami site...and a quick search you can find what PM 2.5 means
NHC admits it African dust
...and African dust rain forest iron will do the last one

That should cover it......

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by MrJester

Ultra-liberal California is just as much of an environmental disaster. Los Angeles, Fresno, or Bakersfield are usually tops when it comes to air pollution. Don't forget suburban sprawl in the Inland Empire and Central Valley, or the nasty, algae-infested, dying San Joaquin River, or massive wildfires last year that totaled $13 billion in damage (only one tenth of Harvey's damage, but when you consider the wildfires affected an incredibly small segment of California's population, the damage is astounding.)

At least California, unlike Florida, recognizes the dangers posed by climate change and, unlike Florida, is acting aggressively to curb greenhouse emissions, often fighting the Trump administration and the Republican Congress in the process.

<<California greenhouse gas emissions fell below 1990 levels, meeting an early target years ahead of schedule and putting the state well on its way toward reaching long-term goals to fight climate change, officials said Wednesday. >>

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-07-california-greenhouse-gas-reduction-goal.html#jCp>>

https://phys.org/news/2018-07-califo...tion-goal.html

Floridians seem to expect the rest of the U.S. to bail them out. Good luck with that, especially given Florida's pathetic record at fighting climate change.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

Which part?
History of red tide in Florida.....will get you Florida's red tide history
The great African drought of 1879...will get you African drought history
current events...will get you the current African drought
Miami air quality...will get you the Miami site...and a quick search you can find what PM 2.5 means
NHC admits it African dust
...and African dust rain forest iron will do the last one

That should cover it......

Please substantiate any of these claims. I have no intention of doing your research for you. And if you don't provide the source of your claims, it's just more spittle from another climate change denier. Don't you even know where you got this information???

[Corrie22]

I totally fail to see the danger....but then I know how to read the x and Y axis on a graph...so those big blown up 1/100th of a degree temperature graphs don't scare me at all....
All of global warming temperature change has amounted to 0.8 degrees so far..and they have been telling us for decades we only have 10 years to save the planet....donate here...while the same people preaching global warming are buying bigger planes, bigger houses....and making total fools out of everyone...when they act like they believe what they are preaching...and China, Russia, India, etc get to increase their CO2 emissions....

Does any of that really make sense to you believers?

If we're all going to die from CO2 increasing....why do some countries get to increase their output?......... crickets......

But then it wouldn't be so scary if they would show the entire global temperature change the way normal humans are used to looking at it....

Like this...
https://suyts.files.wordpress.com/20...ng?w=639&h=366

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Please substantiate any of these claims. I have no intention of doing your research for you. And if you don't provide the source of your claims, it's just more spittle from another climate change denier. Don't you even know where you got this information???

roaring laughing...you are such a loser....I don't need to look it up...I know it...

You goggled your brains out to post all the links you posted....I'm not the one that needs to do the research

...you are

LOL....here's a quick one on droughts

Study Reconstructs Asia's Most Devastating Droughts - The Earth Institute - Columbia University

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

Not in the state of Florida it's not.

The effects of CO2 are logarithmic...the more you add...the less effect it has
....the most effect from additional CO2 has already happened
and it has had zero effect on sea level rise in Florida

The rate of sea level rise in Florida is exactly the same as it has been for the past 100 years....
...less than 1 inch a decade
The rate started before Global warming...stayed the same when CO2 increases would have had the most effect...and is still the exact same rate

expat, go to this NOAA link for Tides and Currents...click on any station on the Florida map...if it shows "trends" in the popup box...

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/ma...region=Florida

...........click on trends and it will give you a chart that looks like this one from Key West

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl..._meantrend.png

I've already debunked this climate change denier claim of yours in post 60 of this thread.

//www.city-data.com/forum/flori...strophe-6.html

This link from the Scientific American in post 60 explains how much of the heat trapped by the oceans due to climate change has been transmitted to the deep ocean, which still contributes to ocean expansion.

<<More than 90 percent of the heat trapped by greenhouse gas pollution since the 1970s has wound up in the oceans, and research published Monday revealed that a little more than a third of that seafaring heat has worked its way down to depths greater than 2,300 feet (700 meters).

Plunged to ocean depths by winds and currents, that trapped heat has eluded surface temperature measurements, fueling claims of a “hiatus” or “pause” in global warming from 1998 to 2013. But by expanding cool water, the deep-sea heat’s impacts have been indirectly visible in coastal regions by pushing up sea levels, contributing to worsening high-tide flooding....

The researchers concluded that half of overall ocean warming has occurred since 1997—a date that they noted in their paper was “nearly coincident with the beginning of the observed surface warming hiatus.”>>

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...tores-of-heat/