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Old 06-27-2014, 08:45 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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RTW does no such thing. it simply doesn't allow mandatory union membership as a condition of becoming employed.
That's what I said. RTW doesn't allow an employer to do something. It is not free markets. Duh, glad you agree.
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Old 06-27-2014, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Whispering pines, cutler bay FL.
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Unions, unions, unions. A farce that makes workers think that they can get a job, get paid well, reap a lot of benefits and while doing so be a slacker.
Sorry but hubby is a Duke graduate with high marks worked in the best Labs in the country and because he started his first air lab here in south Fl he stayed here. His pension is here but my Husband has devleloped a lot for south Florida as a county worker on his own time with out any added benefit other then his pension and state recognition. My DH hates private enterprize and has worked for the gov. Guess what because of him in MIAMI and IN Broward we have better air quality, better parks and better beaches.

My hubby works for a third of what he is worth and private firms want to strip him away from Miami, and he won't because he worked for private enterprise in Cali and knew how that worked out.

Thank God that some folks just want stability and will work for smaller salaries just to do research. Thank God folk of Miami have a high calibre Chemist on their team, one that manages a lot of problems for Miami working. Often 12 to 15 hours days.

Guess what he is a Union member that pays his dues. God does anyone remember when dad made the living and mom could stay home?

GEEZ H X, when was it bad that Dad could afford us? I do not mind that women like my self can be COO, owner, I was! But hellto think that now both parents have to have two jobs is wrong. Unions worked for.
A Reason, lower middle class to make it to middle class.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Kent, Washington
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RTW does no such thing. it simply doesn't allow mandatory union membership as a condition of becoming employed.
You simply argue by assertion, as though repeating the same illogical position over and over will somehow convince.

Like many who favor these laws you refuse to address the issue of how forcing a union to represent people who refuse to pay for it's services is consistent with either free market principles or political freedom.
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:09 AM
 
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You simply argue by assertion, as though repeating the same illogical position over and over will somehow convince.

Like many who favor these laws you refuse to address the issue of how forcing a union to represent people who refuse to pay for it's services is consistent with either free market principles or political freedom.
The union can do what it damn well pleases. It is ridiculous to require union membership as a prerequisite to work for a specific employer.

In a free market, the union would be able to stand on its own, without government interference to mandate it's support in order to get a job
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Old 06-28-2014, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Kent, Washington
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Polly want a cracker?
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Old 06-28-2014, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Will join a UNION anytime !! I have experienced the protection.
What "protection" did you need/want that a non union employee had?
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Old 06-28-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Kudos to your dedicated husband.

What happened to the middle class? Why did/do companies send their work overseas?

Unions choked out employers who could not keep up with the ridiculous demands.

Union membership continues to decline year after year.

Unions say employees need a voice in the work place. What employees need to do is their job and stop worrying how the employer operates his business. If someone is on a job where they feel they are underpaid, not respected, or other problems they need to find a better job.



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Sorry but hubby is a Duke graduate with high marks worked in the best Labs in the country and because he started his first air lab here in south Fl he stayed here. His pension is here but my Husband has devleloped a lot for south Florida as a county worker on his own time with out any added benefit other then his pension and state recognition. My DH hates private enterprize and has worked for the gov. Guess what because of him in MIAMI and IN Broward we have better air quality, better parks and better beaches.

My hubby works for a third of what he is worth and private firms want to strip him away from Miami, and he won't because he worked for private enterprise in Cali and knew how that worked out.

Thank God that some folks just want stability and will work for smaller salaries just to do research. Thank God folk of Miami have a high calibre Chemist on their team, one that manages a lot of problems for Miami working. Often 12 to 15 hours days.

Guess what he is a Union member that pays his dues. God does anyone remember when dad made the living and mom could stay home?

GEEZ H X, when was it bad that Dad could afford us? I do not mind that women like my self can be COO, owner, I was! But hellto think that now both parents have to have two jobs is wrong. Unions worked for.
A Reason, lower middle class to make it to middle class.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Kent, Washington
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What employees need to do is their job and stop worrying how the employer operates his business. If someone is on a job where they feel they are underpaid, not respected, or other problems they need to find a better job.
You explain what's in YOUR interest, not what's in the interest of workers. Your contempt for workers shines through, brilliantly. And you're unable to make an argument combining conservative economic theory with actual conservative economic practice.

I was in a union for 35 years. I made good living at wages considerably higher than those of non union workers doing the same work. I paid off my house, drove new cars and sent my kids through the University of Illinois; paid every nickel out of pocket--tuition, books, housing, food--everything. Then I retired at 55 with a nice pension.

Now that might not have been in your interest but if you can show how it wasn't in mine I'll call you Aristotle.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Kent, Washington
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If someone is on a job where they feel they are underpaid, not respected, or other problems they need to find a better job.
Then as a conservative who champions employers, do you feel the same about workers who don't like the conditions of employment? They need to find a better job?
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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You explain what's in YOUR interest, not what's in the interest of workers. Your contempt for workers shines through, brilliantly. And you're unable to make an argument combining conservative economic theory with actual conservative economic practice.

I was in a union for 35 years. I made good living at wages considerably higher than those of non union workers doing the same work. I paid off my house, drove new cars and sent my kids through the University of Illinois; paid every nickel out of pocket--tuition, books, housing, food--everything. Then I retired at 55 with a nice pension.

Now that might not have been in your interest but if you can show how it wasn't in mine I'll call you Aristotle.
Unions were good a century ago for basic worker safety and protection. Now we have something called OSHA.

Modern unions have bankrupted cities in CA and Detroit, and companies like GM. Fact. GM should have gone through a real bankruptcy after making foolish decisions like letting an 18-year old retire at 48 after 30 years with $$$$$ for life. Unions exist only to enrich themselves, period. They could care less about the workers, unless those workers are paying union dues. A parasite will suck its victim dry, while a symbiot learns to co-exist. Unions should have been the latter, but unfortunately they have been the former in many cases.

Then of course, there are gems like these:

Now what! Neshaminy union defends criminal teacher - EAGnews.org powered by Education Action Group Foundation, Inc.

To Protest Hiring of Nonunion Help, Union Hires Nonunion Pickets - WSJ

Parents stunned that union is seeking a $10K severance for teacher who molested their son - EAGnews.org powered by Education Action Group Foundation, Inc.

Campbell Brown: Teachers Unions Go to Bat for Sexual Predators - WSJ
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