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Old 03-13-2015, 05:33 PM
 
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Spring Hillian- you make all good points regarding the downsides to unions. However, the pendulum is now swinging way too far to the other side.

I found the recent Supreme Court decision regarding paying workers to go through a company mandated security line before being allowed to exit simply outrageous. These are low wage, hourly workers that once their shift ends, have to go through a security line. The court decision was that they can wait 20-30 minutes to get through the line- on their own time. It was based on a precedent case that held workers would not be paid for "gowning" time to put on special gowns for the work they are going to do. Both decisions were based on the logic that each of those activities were not functions of the actual job.

You know if the business doesn't have to pay, there'll be one security guard, but if they had to pay those folks there would be as many as needed to get them out in less than 5 minutes!

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Old 03-13-2015, 07:02 PM
 
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right to work is pro business scam like every other thing in this country. This country is more pro business than it is pro people
Start a business, hire workers and then post.
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:20 AM
 
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While unions may have their cons they also have their pros, as some one who was a union member for the last 35 years i felt secure on the job as the boss couldnt fire me for frivolous reasons like i didnt conform to his political views, or if we had a disagreement over something,Etc.
the job paid 4X what i would have got in a similar job with no union. i am now retired and am happy with the lucrative Teamster pension.
Union or no union? Unions did right by me over the years, i prefer a union than no union.
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Spring Hillian- you make all good points regarding the downsides to unions. However, the pendulum is now swinging way too far to the other side.

I found the recent Supreme Court decision regarding paying workers to go through a company mandated security line before being allowed to exit simply outrageous. These are low wage, hourly workers that once their shift ends, have to go through a security line. The court decision was that they can wait 20-30 minutes to get through the line- on their own time. It was based on a precedent case that held workers would not be paid for "gowning" time to put on special gowns for the work they are going to do. Both decisions were based on the logic that each of those activities were not functions of the actual job.

You know if the business doesn't have to pay, there'll be one security guard, but if they had to pay those folks there would be as many as needed to get them out in less than 5 minutes!
I do agree that more than a few minutes spent b/4 or after work is burdensome, I have to go with the wisdom of the Supreme Court.
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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Right to work lol, right not to work is the American way thou lol
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Old 03-14-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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Clearly you know nothing about unions or working for one. But that is not atypical to the average American. The average American has been sold the anti-union lie for decades while whole industries have been decimated. We've been told for years getting rid of unions would increase manufacturing and with the exception of a couple of jobs coming back, it has mostly been a huge net loss for America. Just like we were told Free trade would be good for us. And just like we were told tax cuts would balance budgets and just like we were told a high minimum wage would ruin the country. These were all bulls*it policies created by businesses, sold to us with promises of a better economy yet none of them ever worked. Right to work laws are written by businesses for the benefit of businesses. That is it. You are like every other American in that you are so pro business that your okay with exploiting workers.

In Sweden, 90% of the workforce either belongs to a Union or has a collective bargaining agreement yet they are more productive than American workers and Sweden's economy is more innovative and competitive than ours. In Germany, auto workers make twice what the average American auto worker makes yet Germany sells more cars than the US. GM and Ford operate Union factories in Canada more than they do in the US mostly to get around health care costs. Are there corrupt Unions? Yes and they should be dealt with. But right to work exists solely to damage unions and take away employees collective rights which are guaranteed to them by the constitution (not that that means anything because lets face it, America never was good at following the constitution anyway)

I know my post wont mean anything because you have your beliefs and you'll probably scoff this whole thing off as just some whiny lazy liberal looking for a hand out. Which is unfortunate because its people like you who are making this country a worse place because you are so rigid in your beliefs that you refuse to concede when you may be wrong or when something that works goes against your beliefs. Being pro-union dosent have to make you a liberal, lazy, or communist or whatever soudbyte you use to explain away your ignorance.

Take a look at the list below of the most innovative economies in the world:

Here’s a look at the top 10 list, with the previous year’s ranking in parenthesis.

Switzerland (No. 1 in 2013)
United Kingdom (3)
Sweden (2)
Finland (6)
Netherlands (4)
United States of America (5)
Singapore (8)
Denmark (9)
Luxembourg (12)
Hong Kong (China) (7)

Now tell me why are countries with a socialist safety net, higher income tax, stronger unionization and regulations higher up than the US? Maybe its because investing in your people is far better for our country than throwing them to wolves of the free market.
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You have been brainwashed.
Wow, that's rich. From the outside looking in it would most likely appear those like yourself have been brainwashed given the dismantling of the American manufacturing workforce and subsequent massive loss of earnings over the past 20 years. Americans never cease to amaze me...
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Old 03-14-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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I have to go with the wisdom of the Supreme Court.
wisdom in this court-
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Old 03-14-2015, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Wow, that's rich. From the outside looking in it would most likely appear those like yourself have been brainwashed given the dismantling of the American manufacturing workforce and subsequent massive loss of earnings over the past 20 years. Americans never cease to amaze me...
Ask yourself why the American manufacturing workforce has disappeared.
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Old 03-14-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Inland FL
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It's bad because it means that workers can be fired for any reason whatsoever. It also lowers wages and worsens working conditions.

Do companies care? Of course not. They just see the workers as slaves and if you show signs of weakness or any desire to have a life outside of work- off with your head and onto another slave.

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Old 03-14-2015, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Switzerland (No. 1 in 2013) 1/4 of the work force is unionized
United Kingdom (3) union membership has dropped by millions over the past few decades
Sweden (2) losing membership
Finland (6) strong, but declining
Netherlands (4) 20pct of the work force and dropping)
United States of America (5)
Singapore (8) a Right to Work country
Denmark (9)91 % of govt. employees in unions - 33% of the rest
Luxembourg (12) 40 pct unionized
Hong Kong (China) (7) the union and the govt are insepartable

Now tell me why are countries with a socialist safety net, higher income tax, stronger unionization and regulations higher up than the US? Maybe its because investing in your people is far better for our country than throwing them to wolves of the free market.

Does not seem to me that unionization is a factor in economics.
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