[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

Try 200,000 years and your eyes will open for real. No one is denying climate change.

Some relevant research looking at ocean temperatures from over 100,000 years ago:

<<Understanding how warm intervals affected sea level in the past is vital for projecting how human activities will affect it in the future. Hoffman et al. compiled estimates of sea surface temperatures during the last interglacial period, which lasted from about 129,000 to 116,000 years ago. The global mean annual values were ∼0.5°C warmer than they were 150 years ago and indistinguishable from the 1995–2014 mean. This is a sobering point, because sea levels during the last interglacial period were 6 to 9 m [20-30 feet] higher than they are now.>>

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6322/276

Obviously, this research has sobering implications for wild Florida, most especially the great coastal nature preserves in the decades immediately ahead.

As noted in other posts, ocean heat content for 2015-2019 has increased above pre-2014 levels to new highs in human recorded history.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...story-in-2019/

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Some relevant research looking at ocean temperatures over 100,000 years ago:.

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Originally Posted by Corrie22

colder now than it's ever been > https://skepticalscience.com/pics/HS12Fig1.jpg

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

HiFLOR modeling:

not computer games...not modeling

...direct measurements....the facts

Originally Posted by Corrie22

global warming has had NO effect on "more powerful hurricanes"....

major hurricane ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy) has stayed exactly the same > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...d_Oqy3HtCe6lSc

there has been no increase in the amount of hurricanes globally....and no increase in the strength of hurricanes globally

if anything there has been a slight decrease > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...hBx1LzaV6xFA2g

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

Lying by omission....is still lying...
"Key Largo" did not experience flooding...it's only the very end of one street in Stillwright point/Twin Lakes (a small neighborhood) flooded...and that street has flooded since the swamp was cleared and fill brought in to make the land dry enough to sell.

..the fill was never compacted and the land is sinking on the end of that street

<<Not far away, on Virginia Key, scientists are also charting the rising sea level. Brian McNoldy is with the University of Miami's Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. He's been monitoring a tidal gauge; for five months running, the average has broken tide records, he says.

"Right now, we're running about 8 to 9 inches above them," McNoldy says. "But there have been times in recent weeks when we've been up to 18 inches. And that definitely is impactful.">>

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/28/78334...early-3-months

[Corrie22]

your article is from Nov of last year.....no where does NOAA tide gauge show 8 to 9 inches...and no where does the tide gauge show 18 inches

He measured that at one tide...with the wind blowing onshore...piling the water up against the land...which is perfectly normal

NOAA's tide gauge at Virgina Key shows sea level rise has not changed one bit.... 2.92mm/yr....1 inch a decade..exactly the same as it's been for the past 90 years.....way before global warming

global warming has had no effect on the rate of sea level rise at Virginia Key

NOAA Virginia Key > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8723214

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

your article is from Nov of last year.....no where does NOAA tide gauge show 8 to 9 inches...and no where does the tide gauge show 18 inches

He measured that at one tide...with the wind blowing onshore...piling the water up against the land...which is perfectly normal

NOAA's tide gauge at Virgina Key shows sea level rise has not changed one bit.... 2.92mm/yr....1 inch a decade..exactly the same as it's been for the past 90 years.....way before global warming

global warming has had no effect on the rate of sea level rise at Virginia Key

NOAA Virginia Key > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8723214

The SCIENTIST quoted in post 24 reported record tide readings over five months with the average also setting records. The point is that the flooding in Key Largo reflected to some significant degree record sea levels and NOT land subsistence as inaccurately claimed in post 19.

Five months earlier there was NO flooding. For your land subsistence claim to be accurate, there was considerable land subsistence in just several months, for which you offer no substantiation.

Admittedly, many factors determine local sea levels, but 90 days of flooding suggests that local conditions are becoming more dire, as recognized throughout the Florida Keys where "adaptation measures" such as raising roads as resorted to in Miami Beach are under discussion.

Miami Beach and Florida Keys residents are NOT imagining the encroaching ocean.

[beach43ofus]

Can I please get some encroaching ocean (Gulf) over here in Sarasota County? That would make our home closer to the beach!

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

The SCIENTIST quoted in post 24 reported record tide readings over five months with the average also setting records.

and a blocking high sitting off the coast blew the water to the shore..and the water piled up
no different than it did around 1987..1948....1962 etc etc.....and the tide gauge shows it > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8723214

Originally Posted by WRnative

The point is that the flooding in Key Largo reflected to some significant degree record sea levels and NOT land subsistence as inaccurately claimed in post 19.

The "flooding in Key Largo" is the end of one street, in one small neighborhood...that has always flooded

even your article says so: "Making things worse, the neighborhood was built on fill and residents can point to areas where the ground has settled."

It's only the end of one street that's flooding...and the end of that street is sinking...the entire rest of the entire neighborhood is perfectly fine and looks like this:

Originally Posted by Corrie22

This is what Stillwright Point really looks like....not at all what the lying media is saying

Prices go from the low $1/2million to over $2million > https://www.point2homes.com/US/Real-...ght-Point.html

Originally Posted by WRnative

Five months earlier there was NO flooding.

...it's not a swamp LOL.....it floods on King tides and when the wind blows the water on shore and piles the water up

Originally Posted by WRnative

but 90 days of flooding suggests that local conditions are becoming more dire,

it only suggests that you will believe anything that confirms what you want to believe

..there was a blocking high sitting out the in gulf blowing the water on shore

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Cut and paste seems to be the method of the day.

The real question is what are YOU doing?

[beach43ofus]

When will my home 8 miles inland become beachfront? I can't wait to see the Gulf of Mexico right out the front window.