[Corrie22]

Here's the google translation of the original article in Swedish...the media reporting it got a few facts wrong
The swedes are talking about chloroquine...but the US media is reporting it's both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine...I think the US is using mostly hydroxychloroquine
..and the swede article got it wrong....the French study was hydroxychloroquine...and not chloroquine...and that's what Trump said

Google Translate of the article into English
New drugs for covid-19 are well advanced. Therefore, they have experimented with existing drugs, developed for other diseases.

Most commonly mentioned is the malaria drug chloroquine. A smaller French study that has shown positive results has spread like wildfire on social media and among others Donald Trump has declared that "Chloroquine will change the history of medicine".

Swedish doctors also began to give malaria medication to severely ill patients, despite the lack of controlled studies. ANNONS

- We did like everyone else and gave chloroquine to the patients in the beginning. There were test tube studies that showed that it had an effect on coronavirus and it was a drug we knew from the treatment of malaria, says Magnus Gisslén, professor and chief physician at the infection clinic at Sahlgrenska University Hospital / Östra.

But now he has made a complete reversal. Last week, all treatment with chloroquine was stopped against covid-19 in Sahlgrenska.

- There were reports of suspected more serious side effects than we first thought. We cannot rule out serious side effects, especially from the heart, and it is a hard-dosed drug. In addition, we have no strong evidence that chloroquine has an effect on covid-19.

The fact that some seriously ill covid-19 patients have acute heart problems has raised concerns that chloroquine may be harmful to some patients.

Have you had cases with severe side effects?

- Not as I know in Gothenburg, but suspected cases from other clinics have been reported. The hospitals in Stockholm continue to provide chloroquine

The risk of serious side effects, combined with the fact that there is still no evidence, ie controlled studies that show that the medicine is effective, is the basis for the decision. The French study that has become so mentioned does not give much to Gisslén.

- It does not meet any requirements that we place on how a study should be done. It has very low evidence value.

All hospitals in the Västra Götaland region follow Sahlgrenska's example. But they are still quite lonely so far. Chloroquine is still given at the major hospitals in Stockholm.

How do you see that you receive different care in different places in Sweden?

- We are receiving signals that several regions are about to stop giving chloroquine. I am very confident in what I have come up with and think that is how you should handle it. We cannot do experimental medicine. At least we need to know that we do no harm.

Several major studies in the world have been initiated on drugs that may help covid-19 patients. Magnus Gisslén believes that the first answers may come within a month.

- If it then turns out that chloroquine is good, then of course we should use it. But before that, we will not risk patients' health by giving it.

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Anna Myrnäs, chief medical officer at the Poison Information Center, has seen an increase in the number of questions from the health service regarding serious side effects of chloroquine.

"The risk we see from our side is that it is a preparation that has very unpleasant side effects, including sudden cardiac death," she says.

She confirms that there are signs that covid-19 patients have been harmed by the drug.

- We do not think that everyone who now prescribes this in the intensive care units is fully aware of how severe the side effects can be, especially in already seriously ill patients.

At Sahlgrenska, patients currently receive classic IVA treatment with oxygen, but no antiviral drugs.

- We might have made another assessment if covid-19 was a disease with very high mortality, for example 80 per cent dead, but now we can manage most people who are intensive care anyway, says Magnus Gisslén.

He is self-critical that he let himself be drawn into the chloroquine.

- In retrospect, I can regret that we did. We were a bit naive and thought the side effect profile was much nicer. I have changed my mind and hope that the rest of the country does too.

In Stockholm, the Södersjukhuset has also stopped giving chloroquine, this confirms chief physician Anders Håkansson in an e-mail:

"It depends on the combination of factors:

1. We have not seen any obvious positive clinical effects.

2. Potential risk of side effects.

3. Against this background, we would like to await the results of the controlled studies in other countries. "

[bbronston]

If everyone would just be patient, we will have good, reliable data that tells us who it works best for (if any) and in what combinations with other medications or substances. Just relax...you will know soon enough.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by bbronston

If everyone would just be patient, we will have good, reliable data that tells us who it works best for (if any) and in what combinations with other medications or substances. Just relax...you will know soon enough.

The first Clinical Trial using a control group was completed recently, and the results published.

It was a small study of 31 being treated with HCQ & 31 placebo. It showed the HCQ's working, and if effective in reducing the # of days people are sick, and the severity of symptoms.

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/r...ne-for-covid19

There are many more larger clinical tests underway.

The Trump Drug cocktail is not a miracle drug, but it is effective, and ~ 2/3rd of Doctors globally say its the best treatment available.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by Florida2014

Dr. Siegel, if he is a doctor, is the paid-for Faux News shill who irresponsibly compared COVID 19 to the flu:

https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-ha...t-could-be-flu

He also referred to the WHO as "alarmists" for their repeated warnings about the virus:

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-do...avirus-1491028

This guy should have any/all degrees stripped from him as he in no way represents the scientific community on any level.

This is the crap I keep harping about here, you Trumpsters can't find any credible sources for anything outside of your Holy Grail network, Faux News.

Do you really believe this guy over all the other doctors, researchers and scientists............REALLY?

I believe what he said... so yes. Nothing implied beyond that. Why so much anger and outrage over a personal fact of joy in someones life? Your response is over the top ignorant. Why not dispute his personal account if you can.

Hypocrisy of the left on full display.

[Florida2014]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

I believe what he said... so yes. Nothing implied beyond that. Why so much anger and outrage over a personal fact of joy in someones life? Your response is over the top ignorant. Why not dispute his personal account if you can.

Hypocrisy of the left on full display.

Sorry I'm not understanding your point. Regardless, I don't trust someone who dismissed this just a month ago as "the flu" to inform me about this drug, any drug, or any THING for that matter. Just like I dismiss our moronic IQ45 for his ignorance of any/all things.

But I believe you believe what this clown says. No surprise there.

[bbronston]

Just hang in there, Flo. With the commie...err, socialist...officially dropping out, and Biden as an opponent, it looks like you will have plenty more opportunities to take Trump’s advice somewhere down the line.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by Florida2014

Sorry I'm not understanding your point. Regardless, I don't trust someone who dismissed this just a month ago as "the flu" to inform me about this drug, any drug, or any THING for that matter. Just like I dismiss our moronic IQ45 for his ignorance of any/all things.

But I believe you believe what this clown says. No surprise there.

That's a tough place to find yourself if you don't trust people who've been wrong. Apparently you're Mr. Perfect?

More ignorance and hypocricy, but I understand you can't see the forest for the trees. It's a known and well established symptom of TDS.

I guess you're acquired a taste for crow.

[bbronston]

Here’s another promising potential Covid19 drug.
https://www.monash.edu/discovery-ins...ls-in-48-hours

[beachmouse]

CDC pulls guidance on using hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVIS-19 from their web site

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21P39R

Now the CDC website no longer includes that information. Instead, its first sentence says: “There are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19.”

The updated, and shortened, guidance adds that “Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are under investigation in clinical trials” for use on coronavirus patients.

[Florida2014]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

That's a tough place to find yourself if you don't trust people who've been wrong. Apparently you're Mr. Perfect?

More ignorance and hypocricy, but I understand you can't see the forest for the trees. It's a known and well established symptom of TDS.

I guess you're acquired a taste for crow.

This isn't about me or you, bud....this is about a doctor coming on a "news" station who is not only stating false information, he's being given a script as to what to say and agrees to that. So yeah, I discredit any/everything that comes out of his lying piehole from this point forward. Generally speaking, I don't trust any of the so-called experts that Faux News hires, because they are paid and instructed as to what to say to match up with their Agenda O' the Day.

In terms of being perfect, nobody's perfect. But most of us are also not claiming to be an expert on a particular subject and going on prime time news to tell outright lies and spread misinformation.