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Old 09-23-2021, 12:20 PM
 
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Florida looks done to me. Delta spike is kaput!


https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...ds_dailydeaths
There are so many deaths that it takes 3-4 weeks to report. If you check again next week, the deaths for Aug 21–Sep 21 will show higher numbers than today. Do a screenshot and of the numbers as of today. Repeat the exercise every week until October 22nd. We will see most of the deaths for Sept 15-21st.
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Old 09-23-2021, 12:49 PM
 
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There are so many deaths that it takes 3-4 weeks to report. If you check again next week, the deaths for Aug 21–Sep 21 will show higher numbers than today. Do a screenshot and of the numbers as of today. Repeat the exercise every week until October 22nd. We will see most of the deaths for Sept 15-21st.
Latest data shows CA at #7, New York #8, TX #9 and FL at #10
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Old 09-23-2021, 02:34 PM
 
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Latest data shows CA at #7, New York #8, TX #9 and FL at #10
Latest data for what? Please explain what data and provide a link.
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Old 09-23-2021, 04:12 PM
 
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Latest data for what? Please explain what data and provide a link.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Go to USA and then click to get the States. You can then click at the top of each number group to see the rating based on that issue.
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Old 09-23-2021, 07:17 PM
 
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Default Wednesday 9/22/2021 Update

Numbers from Worldometers.info. Hospital numbers from Florida Hospital Association.

Date.............Total Cases.....Total Deaths....New Cases......New Deaths...Today's Tests
Tue 9/21...... 3,562,747.........51,889
Wed 9/22..... 3,570,780.........53,096..............8,033....... .....1207**........65,768

Wed 9/22 Hospitalizations 7,845 -285


**There was a "stealth update" to the number of deaths yesterday. If you currently look at the "yesterday" tab on WOM it appears that there were only 25 deaths reported. When I subtract Wednesday's number (53,096) from Tuesday's number (51,889 which is no longer available on WOM because only "today" (Thursday) and "yesterday" (Wednesday) are displayed) you get 1207 deaths, not 25. It's either someone playing games with the numbers or a bug in the WOM site. I prefer to think it's a bug because I still think people are good and are not being dishonest about these numbers.

I report these numbers 24 hours late in this thread because of this "stealth update" or "bug".

But great news that the hospital numbers are way down!!
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Old 09-23-2021, 09:06 PM
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Latest data for what? Please explain what data and provide a link.
How dare data not affirm your forgone conclusions.
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Old 09-24-2021, 04:46 AM
 
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Go to USA and then click to get the States. You can then click at the top of each number group to see the rating based on that issue.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I look at this table almost daily. By clicking on the header for each category, as I've noted in previous posts in this thread, it's easy to see the ranking for each state in that category.

I looked at this table before I asked what you were talking about in post 442, and I just looked at it again. There is NO category in which California ranks 7 and Florida 10. There is no category in which this ordering is even close based upon my examinations of the linked table.

So please tell us which category you are considering, and double check your reading of it. There are immense implications to the statistics evident in this table.

In the two most important categories, cases per million population and deaths per million, California is not even in the top 30 in each category. CA ranks 38 and 33, and FL ranks 3 and 10, respectively. This is important because both CA and FL are two of the large population states that avoided the very disastrous early months of the epidemic (e.g., that ravaged New York and New Jersey, which subsequently have performed much better than FL), when as a nation we still were poor at limiting transmission (personal protective equipment shortages and very limited testing capabilities) and very ignorant and ill equipped to treat cases.

Now we have plentiful supplies of masks, very effective and plentiful tests and vaccines, effective treatments such as antibody infusions, and knowledge of effective policies such as masking, social distancing, and mass testing in conjunction with contact tracing and quarantines, and, yes, vaccine passports. Vaccine passports protect the vaccinated from exposure to the virus which may result in breakthrough cases especially with the effectiveness of vaccines waning before third doses.

<<A May 1 decision by the CDC to only track breakthrough infections that lead to hospitalization or death has left the nation with a muddled understanding of COVID-19’s impact on the vaccinated.>>

https://www.propublica.org/article/t...as-cases-surge

The federal government and apparently most states no longer track breakthrough cases that don't result in hospitalization. Yet such cases can cause illness that limits work productivity and availability, especially when testing and contact quarantining is enforced, such as in several examples among major league baseball teams this summer, even when persons are not hospitalized. Persons with breakthrough infections can transmit the Delta variant, which is why pro sports teams frequently test players, daily for unvaccinated players, and enforce quarantines and stringent social distancing policies for unvaccinated players and those vaccinated players who test positive with breakthrough infections.

Importantly, breakthrough infections can result in long COVID sequelae and perhaps, according to some experts, in the continuing presence of the COVID virus in the body of some infected individuals. Persons with long COVID sequelae experience a reduced quality of life.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-wish-id-known

<<Iwasaki says some people may experience long COVID because the virus is still hiding in the body.>>

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...and-long-covid

https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/...c-long-haulers

Despite the partisan posts in this thread distorting facts and defending Gov. Ron DeSantis' anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-social distancing, and anti-vaccine passport policies and leadership, collectively a pro-COVID transmission policy, Florida has been a COVID disaster since June 2020 and more especially during the Delta variant surge that began this summer. Florida remains especially vulnerable to continued and new variant surges as a result of both these policies and the inexcusable IMO slow roll-out of third vaccine doses by the Biden administration. Due to the Biden/CDC/FDA limiting availability of third doses, some experts expect a surge of breakthrough infections in coming months, as vaccinated immunity continues to wane, as winter and indoor congregation increases, as the holidays encourage more social gatherings, and as persons drop protections such as mask wearing. Of course, Florida, having just experienced a massive Delta variant infection surge, likely will have heightened levels of natural immunity during this holiday season.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters...-coming-494421

What's amazing is that CA's cases per million is low despite the fact that CA ranks 10th among states in tests per million population. By comparison, FL is 23rd among states in tests per million! The more tests administered, the more cases of mild and asymptomatic COVID are identified, even when transmission rates are relatively low. When testing is combined with enhanced contact tracing and better and relatively more quarantining, both transmission and cases can be significantly reduced.

However, by identifying mild and asymptomatic cases, with many tests likely resulting from contact tracing, CA can encourage quarantining and hopefully even mask wearing by those infected, in any event reducing transmission even though such testing increases case counts. See post 415 for how half a million tests weekly are administered just in the Los Angeles school district.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...thread-42.html

Additionally, a society where testing is encouraged and made available, increases the ability to administer timely antibody infusions, which must be administered when symptoms first appear in order to be effective. A greater rate of antibody infusions among those who first feel COVID symptoms will reduce the rate of hospitalizations, deaths and perhaps even cases of long COVID sequelae.

Sadly, those who think COVID is an insignificant disease, so much so that they refuse vaccination, are more likely to not get tested and perhaps not even quarantine or wear a mask if they do test positive; this is just one explanation of how leadership of top political and community leaders may make an immense difference in community spread, cases, hospitalizations, deaths, and the prevalence of long COVID sequelae among the population.

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Old 09-24-2021, 04:59 AM
 
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How dare data not affirm your forgone conclusions.
Read post 447. Faulty data claims and Big Lie personal attacks such as yours, doesn't change the documented reality that Florida is a COVID disaster zone due to the inept policies and the COVID pro-transmission policies of Gov. Ron DeSantis and his Republican legislative enablers, as well as the partisan puppets who support these policies and promote Big Lie propaganda about the COVID epidemic in Florida.

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Old 09-24-2021, 02:15 PM
 
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I look at this table almost daily. By clicking on the header for each category, as I've noted in previous posts in this thread, it's easy to see the ranking for each state in that category.

I looked at this table before I asked what you were talking about in post 442, and I just looked at it again. There is NO category in which California ranks 7 and Florida 10. There is no category in which this ordering is even close based upon my examinations of the linked table.

So please tell us which category you are considering, and double check your reading of it. There are immense implications to the statistics evident in this table.

In the two most important categories, cases per million population and deaths per million, California is not even in the top 30 in each category. CA ranks 38 and 33, and FL ranks 3 and 10, respectively. This is important because both CA and FL are two of the large population states that avoided the very disastrous early months of the epidemic (e.g., that ravaged New York and New Jersey, which subsequently have performed much better than FL), when as a nation we still were poor at limiting transmission (personal protective equipment shortages and very limited testing capabilities) and very ignorant and ill equipped to treat cases.

Now we have plentiful supplies of masks, very effective and plentiful tests and vaccines, effective treatments such as antibody infusions, and knowledge of effective policies such as masking, social distancing, and mass testing in conjunction with contact tracing and quarantines, and, yes, vaccine passports. Vaccine passports protect the vaccinated from exposure to the virus which may result in breakthrough cases especially with the effectiveness of vaccines waning before third doses.

<<A May 1 decision by the CDC to only track breakthrough infections that lead to hospitalization or death has left the nation with a muddled understanding of COVID-19’s impact on the vaccinated.>>

https://www.propublica.org/article/t...as-cases-surge

The federal government and apparently most states no longer track breakthrough cases that don't result in hospitalization. Yet such cases can cause illness that limits work productivity and availability, especially when testing and contact quarantining is enforced, such as in several examples among major league baseball teams this summer, even when persons are not hospitalized. Persons with breakthrough infections can transmit the Delta variant, which is why pro sports teams frequently test players, daily for unvaccinated players, and enforce quarantines and stringent social distancing policies for unvaccinated players and those vaccinated players who test positive with breakthrough infections.

Importantly, breakthrough infections can result in long COVID sequelae and perhaps, according to some experts, in the continuing presence of the COVID virus in the body of some infected individuals. Persons with long COVID sequelae experience a reduced quality of life.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-wish-id-known

<<Iwasaki says some people may experience long COVID because the virus is still hiding in the body.>>

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...and-long-covid

https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/...c-long-haulers

Despite the partisan posts in this thread distorting facts and defending Gov. Ron DeSantis' anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-social distancing, and anti-vaccine passport policies and leadership, collectively a pro-COVID transmission policy, Florida has been a COVID disaster since June 2020 and more especially during the Delta variant surge that began this summer. Florida remains especially vulnerable to continued and new variant surges as a result of both these policies and the inexcusable IMO slow roll-out of third vaccine doses by the Biden administration. Due to the Biden/CDC/FDA limiting availability of third doses, some experts expect a surge of breakthrough infections in coming months, as vaccinated immunity continues to wane, as winter and indoor congregation increases, as the holidays encourage more social gatherings, and as persons drop protections such as mask wearing. Of course, Florida, having just experienced a massive Delta variant infection surge, likely will have heightened levels of natural immunity during this holiday season.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters...-coming-494421

What's amazing is that CA's cases per million is low despite the fact that CA ranks 10th among states in tests per million population. By comparison, FL is 23rd among states in tests per million! The more tests administered, the more cases of mild and asymptomatic COVID are identified, even when transmission rates are relatively low. When testing is combined with enhanced contact tracing and better and relatively more quarantining, both transmission and cases can be significantly reduced.

However, by identifying mild and asymptomatic cases, with many tests likely resulting from contact tracing, CA can encourage quarantining and hopefully even mask wearing by those infected, in any event reducing transmission even though such testing increases case counts. See post 415 for how half a million tests weekly are administered just in the Los Angeles school district.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...thread-42.html

Additionally, a society where testing is encouraged and made available, increases the ability to administer timely antibody infusions, which must be administered when symptoms first appear in order to be effective. A greater rate of antibody infusions among those who first feel COVID symptoms will reduce the rate of hospitalizations, deaths and perhaps even cases of long COVID sequelae.

Sadly, those who think COVID is an insignificant disease, so much so that they refuse vaccination, are more likely to not get tested and perhaps not even quarantine or wear a mask if they do test positive; this is just one explanation of how leadership of top political and community leaders may make an immense difference in community spread, cases, hospitalizations, deaths, and the prevalence of long COVID sequelae among the population.
Strange because I copied directly from the cases per million of deaths. Now FL is still #10, but none of the others match. Maybe an update or something to fix an error???? I do not know.
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:23 PM
 
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Default Thursday 9/23/2021 Update

Numbers from Worldometers.info. Hospital numbers from Florida Hospital Association.

Date.............Total Cases.....Total Deaths....New Cases......New Deaths...Today's Tests
Wed 9/22..... 3,570,780.........53,096
Thur 9/23..... 3,577,051.........53,105..............6,271....... ........9.............92,433

Thur 9/23 Hospitalizations 7,556 -289
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