[LKJ1988]

Originally Posted by Huasho

Pinellas and Pasco getting on and off rains today

Only got .35" so that is nothing. I want 10"...

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Travelassie

We'll handle it. As we always do.

Floridians don't handle it. They rely on billions of annual federal subsidies for flood insurance, and tens of billions of federal bailouts after major hurricanes. Hundreds of millions of federal money are spent annually on "beach replenishment."

Floridians ignore the ongoing destruction of the Great Florida Reef, one of Florida's greatest natural resources, and the continuing inundation of their beaches. See post 6 in this thread.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...hurricane.html

When Floridians start dealing with the inevitable consequences of climate change and start paying for the costs of hurricane recovery and the ongoing inundation of the state, then they can claim that they will "handle it."

One major hurricane hit in a highly developed area of Florida, or even elsewhere in the U.S., may collapse the house of cards.

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2019/...mpacts-worsen/

Already the smart money is planning its exit from Florida's high risk game of musical chairs.

<<Those models, Glendon warned, don't reflect Disney World being unable to operate because of extreme heat. Or Florida going bankrupt once banks stop lending for coastal mortgages.>>

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/e...em-into-action

As federal deficits mushroom, Florida runs the risk that the rest of the nation will say, great, "Handle it. Raise your tax rates and pay your own way." Start with Florida paying for its own flood insurance subsidies and the full cost of beach replenishment.

<<In October 2017,Congress cancelled $16 billion of NFIP debt, making it possible for the program to pay claims. The NFIP owes $20.525 billion to the U.S. as of December 2019.>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...urance_Program

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2019/...ive-to-fix-it/

[Veniceman]

OP said: "When Floridians start dealing with the inevitable consequences of climate change and start paying for the costs of hurricane recovery and the ongoing inundation of the state, then they can claim that they will "handle it."

Are you honestly putting this on Floridians? Do you think the people in Florida are responsible for climate change? I suppose people in Oklahoma are responsible for the tornadoes that sweep through their state too? Every state gets money back from the Feds. My dad farmed in Indiana and he got money from the Feds for that. Why do you pick on Florida so much? From what I have read you don't even live in Florida so why do you have so many posts here? Florida is a unique state and is located in a hurricane zone. It's been located in a hurricane zone for a very long time. Millions of people live here and folks keep moving here in droves and I don't think too many of them are living in fear here. Constantly posting negative comments will not stop that.

[Huasho]

Originally Posted by LKJ1988

Only got .35" so that is nothing. I want 10"...

Some (.35") is better than nothing in my books...I see more rains in Pinellas today, so maybe they'll go your way again with a few sprinkles here and there !!

Later Gator !

[Corrie22]

you can always tell when someone is pushing a global warming scam....

they blame everyone but China....the world's largest CO2 emitter by far

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Veniceman

OP said: "When Floridians start dealing with the inevitable consequences of climate change and start paying for the costs of hurricane recovery and the ongoing inundation of the state, then they can claim that they will "handle it."

Are you honestly putting this on Floridians? Do you think the people in Florida are responsible for climate change? I suppose people in Oklahoma are responsible for the tornadoes that sweep through their state too? Every state gets money back from the Feds. My dad farmed in Indiana and he got money from the Feds for that. Why do you pick on Florida so much? From what I have read you don't even live in Florida so why do you have so many posts here? Florida is a unique state and is located in a hurricane zone. It's been located in a hurricane zone for a very long time. Millions of people live here and folks keep moving here in droves and I don't think too many of them are living in fear here. Constantly posting negative comments will not stop that.

The majority of Floridians for the last decade have elected state political leaders and Congressional representatives who are climate change deniers to one degree or another. Unlike in California and other coastal states, there is no urgency in Florida to transition to a carbon-free economy, even though Florida's alternative energy potential dwarfs that of most other states.

Why should the federal government subsidize federal flood insurance, especially for the wealthy, and therefore coastal development? The following article was written before Congress canceled $16 billion in NFIP debt in 2017, and yet NFIP debt already is back to $20.5 billion at the end of 2019. See post 53. Are Floridians willing to pay higher premiums and otherwise rationalize the NFIP program? Do Florida insurance companies and agents still get 29 percent commissions on selling NFIP insurance? Why can't the federal government sell NFIP insurance directly to consumers, perhaps through state agencies? What happens to Florida coastal real estate development and values if federal subsidization of the NFIP is ended?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/10...nce-2017-08-28

Do Floridians and other coastal states expect the federal government to continue writing blank checks for coastal protections, and for hurricane recovery as increased development as rising and warmer oceans greatly increase the destructive power of hurricanes and the cost of paying for these programs? With the federal budget deficits and unfunded liabilities already at dangerous levels, choking off needed funding for other programs and priorities, do Floridians actually expense there are no limits to their dependency on Uncle Sam?

Mostly, I'm responding to the climate change denialists who dominate this and similar threads and who argue that the risks facing Florida are made-up and based on fake science. If you have challenged their absurdities, I've missed it.

So I'm writing these posts for those who actually are interested in an objective discussion of climate change risks facing Florida.

[Veniceman]

https://taxfoundation.org/state-fede...-reliance-2020

Looks like Florida demands less from the Federal government than Ohio. On a per capita basis I'd say the OP needs to be a little more concerned about his home state.

[Veniceman]

Looks like Ohio doesn't fare well with pollution either:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...in-the-us.html

OP might want to overhaul his own home state before posting so often about Florida. Florida isn't my home state but I can tell you for certain it's a heck of a lot less polluted here than my home state of Indiana and yet Florida is far more populated.

[Veniceman]

The flood insurance subsidies affect mostly moderate income home owners:


https://www.tampabay.com/news/busine...oesnt/2157000/

[Corrie22]

China emits twice as much CO2 as the entire USA......