[Scottamemnon]

I love the fact that we have seasons here in Jax. Its nice to break up the monotony of the heat. We can have a taste of the seasons I grew up with up North, without the months of dreary, snowy depression. There is a very small window of time when I have to abandon shorts, so I don't ever consider it too cold here in Jax. Most people say the best time of year in New England is Autumn, temp wise. The worst part of the Winter in Jax is very similar to October in Massachusetts. Great weather for farmers markets, eating outside, grilling with football on, etc.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by djsuperfly

That still doesn't help your argument that winters are similar in the two places. There's no comparison between an average of 24 and an average of 41. That's significantly colder.

My parents lived in St. Charles County for 7 years and have been in the Jacksonville area for the last 12 so I know both areas well. There was one year I visited them for Christmas for 10 days when they lived in MO. The highest high for that period was 15 degrees. Several days barely touched 0. There's something you'll never see in Jax.

One thing Jax has going for it is that it is usually warmer than the Panhandle. That is due to the Atlantic high, southeast ridge and the atlantic.

Notice Jacksonville might be sitting at 80 degrees, but Pensacola might be at 60 degrees.

Places like Crestview in the Panhandle get quite cold at night.

It's rare in St. Louis to even get below 0 anymore or highs under 20 degrees. 6 years ago was a very cold winter in Stl. At one point Stl at Lambert went like 12 years without going below zero and that was broke in 2014.

The climate has been warming lately and I'm a Republican but will admit something is going on.

When I lived in Southwest FL years ago before moving back to Stl it used to get colder a lot more in the winter even down in Naples.

I used to remember late 90s the Panhandle would get way down into the teens in Crestview and other areas. I think I remember once it got down to 12 degrees there.

Now it's even hard to get lows into the 20s in Tally.

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

One thing Jax has going for it is that it is usually warmer than the Panhandle. That is due to the Atlantic high, southeast ridge and the atlantic.

Notice Jacksonville might be sitting at 80 degrees, but Pensacola might be at 60 degrees.

Places like Crestview in the Panhandle get quite cold at night.

It's rare in St. Louis to even get below 0 anymore or highs under 20 degrees. 6 years ago was a very cold winter in Stl. At one point Stl at Lambert went like 12 years without going below zero and that was broke in 2014.

The climate has been warming lately and I'm a Republican but will admit something is going on.

When I lived in Southwest FL years ago before moving back to Stl it used to get colder a lot more in the winter even down in Naples.

I used to remember late 90s the Panhandle would get way down into the teens in Crestview and other areas. I think I remember once it got down to 12 degrees there.

Now it's even hard to get lows into the 20s in Tally.

Have to look at more than just the past ~20 years to really get the full picture.

https://www.currentresults.com/Yearl...emperature.php

In short, pretty similar to the 20s, the 60s, and not all that far from the 80s.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by Arcenal352

Have to look at more than just the past ~20 years to really get the full picture.

https://www.currentresults.com/Yearl...emperature.php

In short, pretty similar to the 20s, the 60s, and not all that far from the 80s.

Overall, something is going on with the climate. Winters just keep getting warmer and our summers keep getting warmer as well. Locals even state the same thing they notice how it's getting warmer.

Once again this past winter we didn't have much of a winter. Most of our winter the weather was more like mid to late April weather.

[Scottamemnon]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

Overall, something is going on with the climate. Winters just keep getting warmer and our summers keep getting warmer as well. Locals even state the same thing they notice how it's getting warmer.

Once again this past winter we didn't have much of a winter. Most of our winter the weather was more like mid to late April weather.

I have a feeling this is most age and confirmation bias at play.

You can see three 30 year data collection points here for Jax Internation Airport:
https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?fl4358

January is the coolest month, July is the Hottest

1961-1990
Jan Avg High 64.3
Jan Avg Low 41.9
July Avg High 91.5
July Avg Low 72.4

1971-2000
Jan Avg High 64.9
Jan Avg Low 42.0
July Avg High 91.8
July Avg Low 72.2

1981-2010
Jan Avg High 65.0
Jan Avg Low 41.7
July Avg High 91.8
July Avg Low 72.5

There is no significant change in the monthly averages over this time period.

Overall from 1938 to 2016 you get the following averages:
Jan Avg High 65.1
Jan Avg Low 42.4
July Avg High 91.9
July Avg Low 72.8

Furthermore, you can compare # of days over 90 and days under 32 in Jax on average per year by decade:
https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...cksonville.php

Decade # days over 90 # days under 32
2010's 88 14
2000's 72 17
1990's 82 12
1980's 85 21
1970's 69 21
1960's 76 12
1950's 96 12
1940's 86 10

[MOforthewin]

When the next climate data period comes out for 30 year averages I'd expect the averages to rise.

When the period of 1991 to 2021 comes out in a couple years I know here in Punta Gorda and Ft. Myers our average temps will jump up, especially the winter temps.

10 years back when the climate data for 1981 to 2011 came out the winter average highs and lows for St. Louis made a pretty big jump. At the coldest point in winter St. Louis had an average high of 37 on the coldest day and 21 for coldest low. Now it's 39 and 23 at the coldest point and it's only for a few days in Jan.

[himain]

Because there is nothing to do there

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

10 years back when the climate data for 1981 to 2011 came out the winter average highs and lows for St. Louis made a pretty big jump.

MO, that's because historically 1981 was way below average in temperature.....go back further in the temperature record...basically it just went back to normal temperatures

St. Louis temps 1900-2020 > https://www.weather.gov/images/lsx/climate/STLTemp.JPG

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Originally Posted by MOforthewin

When the next climate data period comes out for 30 year averages I'd expect the averages to rise.

When the period of 1991 to 2021 comes out in a couple years I know here in Punta Gorda and Ft. Myers our average temps will jump up, especially the winter temps.

It's been rising for about 150 years....but only about 2 degree in 150 years....Ft. Myers is still tagging some very low temp anomalies

Here's the averages for Ft. Myers > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...P_Kzyqm7B_71Ti

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

MO, that's because historically 1981 was way below average in temperature.....go back further in the temperature record...basically it just went back to normal temperatures

St. Louis temps 1900-2020 > https://www.weather.gov/images/lsx/climate/STLTemp.JPG

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It's been rising for about 150 years....but only about 2 degree in 150 years....Ft. Myers is still tagging some very low temp anomalies

Here's the averages for Ft. Myers > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...P_Kzyqm7B_71Ti

Unless something drastic happens we are never going to see temps like the 1960s thru 1980s again with that type of cold.

Even the locals the old ones who have lived here in Southern FL for years say it keeps getting warmer longer and longer and less winter weather and are getting tired of it.

Summers are getting worse as well. The thing is THAT could be why the FL peninsula is getting less Tropical storm and hurricane hits as well excluding years like 2004 and 2005. Look back in the 1900s like 1940s and 30s how FL got hit constantly.

It seems due to a stronger Bermuda high which causes us to have warmer weather is pushing storms to the south more. Laura is an example. Looked like it would plow into FL as a major the models were all showing days out and instead went way south and into the Gulf. The models have under forecasted the strong high pressure.

These Cape Verde systems that historically would plow into FL if they didn't curve up the east coast or in the middile of the Atlantic seem to get shoved way south now. Hence places like the central Gulf coast have taken a pounding this year. The strong Atlantic ridge that causes us hotter and hotter weather is to blame.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

Unless something drastic happens we are never going to see temps like the 1960s thru 1980s again with that type of cold.

MO, look at the temperature history graph again.....see the bottom low temp dots..the bottom dots are low temps
...do you see how they go up and down?...like a sine wave?

down at 1900+....up at 1920+....down at 1970+.....up at 1990+...you see that last bottom dot?

...that was as cold as it was in 1915

Temps cycles going up and down is what's normal > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...P_Kzyqm7B_71Ti

The cycles are why citrus growers could get away with growing citrus trees to maturity....only to have them eventually get killed by a freeze
...then plant them again...grow them to maturity....and have them killed again.....wash, rinse, repeat

The up and down cycle is what is normal

..and it's all controlled by the AMO > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlant...56-present.svg