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Old 04-23-2021, 09:22 PM
 
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The sea is not rising, it’s your land that is sinking!


The sea is not rising, it’s your land that is sinking! – The Truth Denied Alternative News
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:58 PM
 
Location: West Florida
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Bull****.

Pure lies. Leftist drivel.

No where in the world is sea level rise anywhere close to a freaking FOOT per decade.

Pure bull****.
Love it! And thank you!!!

Be careful, as you might get suspended for rebutting that persons post. For some reason, that’s a thing here. And your post might get deleted. Just FYI.
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Old 04-24-2021, 11:55 AM
 
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Default NASA's flooding day projections for Florida locations

Type in "FL" under locations. Click on inches in order to see the flooding day projections for each location given a 20-inch flooding threshold. Note that Virginia Key in Biscayne Bay is the Miami location for which estimates are provided.

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/flooding-days-projection

These projections clearly show how coastal flooding will become much worse in the decades ahead, with pronounced increases beginning in the 2030s.

Clicking on "Read More," this interesting observation is made: "In many locations around the United States and its territories, there are sharp inflection points around the mid-2030s that are related to the interaction between accelerating sea level rise due to climate change and a long-term, 18.6-year cycle in the amplitude of astronomical tides."

Reading through methodology, it appears that the NOAA hasn't updated its sea level rise scenarios since 2014. An update likely will occur under the Biden administration. Given accelerating ice melt and ocean heat content in recent years, the NOAA sea level rise estimates, and therefore the flooding day estimates, likely will be much worse once the NOAA SLR estimates are updated.

This following South Florida Sun Sentinel article has a graph titled "Rate of Sea-Level Rise is Increasingly Rapidly." This graph apparently is from John Englander's new book, "Moving to Higher Ground," utilizing NOAA annual sea level data. Similar graphs are available at NOAA and NASA sea level change web pages, but I wasn't able to find one that actually plotted the heightening slopes for recent decades, as apparently Englander did in the graph reproduced by the Sun Sentinel.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/communi...op4-story.html

Of course, none of these projections consider "abrupt" sea level rise scenarios, which Englander apparently discusses in his new book. See post 33:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...lerates-4.html

Englander offers this warning, which certainly applies to Florida, in the Sun Sentinel interview.

<<“The difference between my first book and ‘Moving to Higher Ground’ is that it reaches a much wider audience,” Englander said. “In the new book, I talk about how we need to look at the mid-century and then think out about 100 years for planning purposes. We need to think big.>>

It will be interesting to see how long climate change deniers of varying stripes will continue to dominate Florida politics and suppress any possibility of the state taking meaningful actions to combat climate change, as in California and other coastal U.S. states. Englander's book posits that most resiliency projects are at best very short-term solutions, especially if we blunder into an abrupt sea level rise scenario.

<<And despite [California]’s long track record of leadership in phasing out fossil fuels, it’s now falling behind, the researchers say.

There’s no better sign of that than President Biden — once viewed with extreme skepticism by climate activists — trying to pass an infrastructure bill that sets a national goal of 100% clean electricity by 2035, a full decade ahead of California’s target.

Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti endorsed the same 2035 goal in his State of the City address Monday. That followed the release of a first-of-its-kind study by the federally funded National Renewable Energy Laboratory finding that L.A. can achieve 98% clean energy as early as 2030, and 100% by 2035, without increasing the risk of blackouts or disrupting the local economy.>>

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...climate-change

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Old 04-25-2021, 06:59 AM
 
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Default Recent Tampa TV interview of John Englander

Floridians increasingly are exposed to the scientific reality of accelerating sea level rise.

https://www.wfla.com/bloom/moving-to-higher-ground/

So, in reality, there's a high-risk game of musical chairs underway in which those cognizant of the future are trying to decide WHEN is the best time to make an exit. This issue is discussed repeatedly in this thread, beginning with post 6.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...ing-money.html

Many of those who understand the realities of accelerating sea level rise likely are not discounting properly the impacts of climate change risks on the Florida insurance markets. See the discussion of this issue in posts 9, 20 and subsequent posts in the above thread. An insurance catastrophe resulting from a major hurricane undergoing rapid intensification over ever warmer oceans and then hitting a major coastal U.S. population center could happen during every hurricane season from now forward. As explained repeatedly in the above thread, without affordable insurance the Florida mortgage market would collapse.
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Old 04-25-2021, 07:45 AM
 
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Can we please put this total BS to bed?

This is all predictions...forecasts...for way in the future....based on what the climate models predict

...and not one little bit of it is based on reality........

well guess what?.....no climate model has even been close to being accurate yet....they all over predict by at least 50%
....and most over predict by 100% or better

Here's the stupid climate models predictions.....and reality is plotted right alone with it....no climate model has been right yet

https://i1.wp.com/www.drroyspencer.c...g01.jpg?w=1110


...and as long as these idiots base their predictions on climate models for whatever reason or agenda....and not base them on reality....the models have never been right...and their predictions will never be right

we're going to hear this doom and gloom total bullcrap forever

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Old 04-25-2021, 01:00 PM
 
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Can we please put this total BS to bed?

This is all predictions...forecasts...for way in the future....based on what the climate models predict

...and not one little bit of it is based on reality........

well guess what?.....no climate model has even been close to being accurate yet....they all over predict by at least 50%
....and most over predict by 100% or better

Here's the stupid climate models predictions.....and reality is plotted right alone with it....no climate model has been right yet

https://i1.wp.com/www.drroyspencer.c...g01.jpg?w=1110


...and as long as these idiots base their predictions on climate models for whatever reason or agenda....and not base them on reality....the models have never been right...and their predictions will never be right

we're going to hear this doom and gloom total bullcrap forever
Just more "Big Lie" climate change denier propaganda.

<<Based on global and coastal sea level data from satellites and 177 tide-gauges, the researchers found that those two reports' projections under three different RCP scenarios "agree well with satellite and tide-gauge observations over the common period 2007–2018, within the 90% confidence level."

In other words, "our analysis implies that the models are close to observations and builds confidence in the current projections for the next several decades," said John Church, who is part of UNSW's Climate Change Research Center. The professor noted projections were accurate not only globally but also at the regional and local level.>>

https://www.ecowatch.com/sea-level-r...650598499.html

And then there is James Hansen's famous 1988 warnings and projections. Hansen's projections were a great scientific accomplishment, especially compared to the climate change deniers who so vociferously rejected the science, and even now reject the empirical reality.

https://skepticalscience.com/Hansen-1988-prediction.htm

Most of the models discussed in this thread are prepared by NOAA scientists with considerable input from NASA scientists. Only the most deluded/deceitful climate change denier, with no obvious scientific training, would assert their superiority over this array of scientific talent analyzing an immense accumulation of empirical data.

NASA sea level rise "Overview" web page:

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understand...level/overview

<<Using the most advanced Earth-observing laser instrument NASA has ever flown in space, scientists have made precise, detailed measurements of how the elevation of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have changed over 16 years.

The results provide insights into how the polar ice sheets are changing, demonstrating definitively that small gains of ice in East Antarctica are dwarfed by massive losses in West Antarctica. The scientists found the net loss of ice from Antarctica, along with Greenland’s shrinking ice sheet, has been responsible for 0.55 inches (14 millimeters) of sea level rise between 2003 and 2019 – slightly less than a third of the total amount of sea level rise observed in the world’s oceans....

The study found that Greenland’s ice sheet lost an average of 200 gigatons of ice per year, and Antarctica’s ice sheet lost an average of 118 gigatons of ice per year.

One gigaton of ice is enough to fill 400,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools or cover New York’s Central Park in ice more than 1,000 feet (300 meters) thick, reaching higher than the Chrysler Building. >>

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/esnt/20...of-its-changes

Once NASA and NOAA possess several years of ICESat-2 data, projections of future ice melt and consequentially sea level rise will become even more anchored by empirical data.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...ice-sheet-loss

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understand...level/ice-melt

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Old 04-25-2021, 01:11 PM
 
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LOL...now even NOAA is lying....don't fit your agenda does it

For over 40 years.....the climate models have been predicting "acceleration"

...and for over 40 years....the climate models have been dead wrong

this wrong > https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/...risty_dec8.jpg

as long as these clowns base their predictions on the climate models....they will be dead wrong too
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Old 04-25-2021, 01:19 PM
 
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...and not one little bit of it is based on reality........


Accelerating ice melt in the cryosphere is obvious to anyone paying attention.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/2...ea-level-rise/

As in post 11, you've been asked repeatedly what is happening to all of this melt water. Post 11 details the amount of ice melt in the cryosphere

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...lerates-2.html

Not surprisingly, you NEVER answer this basic question which in its logical simplicity likely stumps all climate change deniers.
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Old 04-25-2021, 01:23 PM
 
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LOL...now even NOAA is lying....don't fit your agenda does it

For over 40 years.....the climate models have been predicting "acceleration"

...and for over 40 years....the climate models have been dead wrong

this wrong > https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/...risty_dec8.jpg

as long as these clowns base their predictions on the climate models....they will be dead wrong too
Readers of this thread can decide who is lying and about what.

Personally, I have no interest in your climate change denier links nor in your deceitful claims.

As noted in post 63, John Englander plotted NOAA data to demonstrate the accelerating rate of sea level rise:

<<This following South Florida Sun Sentinel article has a graph titled "Rate of Sea-Level Rise is Increasingly Rapidly." This graph apparently is from John Englander's new book, "Moving to Higher Ground," utilizing NOAA annual sea level data. Similar graphs are available at NOAA and NASA sea level change web pages, but I wasn't able to find one that actually plotted the heightening slopes for recent decades, as apparently Englander did in the graph reproduced by the Sun Sentinel.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/communi...op4-story.html>>

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Old 04-25-2021, 01:35 PM
 
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Readers of this thread can decide who is lying and about what.

Personally, I have no interest in your climate change denier links nor in your deceitful claims.

As noted in post 63, John Englander plotted NOAA data to demonstrate the accelerating rate of sea level rise:

<<This following South Florida Sun Sentinel article has a graph titled "Rate of Sea-Level Rise is Increasingly Rapidly." This graph apparently is from John Englander's new book, "Moving to Higher Ground," utilizing NOAA annual sea level data. Similar graphs are available at NOAA and NASA sea level change web pages, but I wasn't able to find one that actually plotted the heightening slopes for recent decades, as apparently Englander did in the graph reproduced by the Sun Sentinel.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/communi...op4-story.html>>
Guy has his head in the sand fran. Use the ignore thingy and it will save you lots of banging away.
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