[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

...which is exactly what she did

Correction needed. That's what she ALLEGEDLY did, according to the DeSantis administration.

She denies the accusation.

Until she's charged and convicted, it's wrong to say she did anything of which she is accused.

DeSantis likey sees vilifying Jones as a win/win. He is discrediting a critic AND diverting attention from the mounting death toll and health crisis in Florida due to the mismanagement of the epidemic in the U.S. compared to other nations. The greatly inferior public health response in Florida and the U.S. certainly rests on the Trump administration and his enablers and enactors, none of whom is more prominent and loyal to the failed Trump policies than DeSantis.

From a different perspective, allegedly, the DeSantis administration is engaged in the political oppression of a critic in this case.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/21/us/re...nvs/index.html

https://www.local10.com/news/florida...urn-computers/

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Apparently there was enough evidence of wrong doing, to issue a warrant.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

Apparently there was enough evidence of wrong doing, to issue a warrant.

Jones is suing Florida over what she claims was a "sham" warrant, and she may have a strong case.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rebekah...earch-warrant/

<<Cyber security and digital rights experts questioned the evidence presented to the public thus far by state agents to justify the execution of a search warrant Monday on a fired Florida Department of Health data scientist, calling it "thin" and "fishy.">>

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/n...er/3867058001/

Just as with phone numbers, IP addresses can easily be spoofed.

<<"It is well known that IP addresses can be spoofed. In other words, I can make an IP or I can make it look as though Internet traffic is coming from somewhere else," said Kevin Butler, associate director of the Florida Institute for Cybersecurity Research and a professor of computer science at the University of Florida.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, the country's leading internet civil liberties and data privacy advocacy group, in 2016 published a 22-page white paper laying out why IP addresses on their own are unreliable personal identifiers, and are commonly misused or misunderstood by police and the courts. A key reason is that information can often relay through multiple IP addresses.

"It's a thin read to just use the IP address, and it's one that we really, really discourage," said Cindy Cohn, the EFF's executive director. "An IP address is nothing, is not even remotely like a fingerprint... the reason that we worry about IP addresses is the cops will often pretend like they're a fingerprint.">>

The Florida Today article explains how easy it is to spoof and IP address and wonders what other evidence was used to obtain the search warrant. The article strongly suggests that the Jones warrant was a sham and an act of political retaliation and also a fishing expedition to identify Jones' sources among current Florida state employees. My hunch is that Florida will offer to settle the Jones lawsuit for significant monetary damages rather than see officials either perjure or embarrass themselves and the DeSantis administration in sworn testimony. What will be interesting is whether Jones is interested in any settlement or if she wants a public trial to expose what she considers a sordid invasion of her rights.

<<Sarasota attorney Ron Filipkowski, who resigned from a state commission in protest of the raid on Jones' home, agreed.

"I have handled a lot of these kinds of cases in my career, and generally, the way that this statute is used, is to prosecute people who are hacking into other people's systems to steal their identity, to steal their money, to crash their servers, to cause some sort of harm to that person or entity, which is not present here," Filipkowski said. The now former Republican was reappointed last year by DeSantis to the 12th Judicial Circuit Judicial Nominating Commission, which nominates judges to fill vacancies.

Filipkowski, in his resignation letter, said he reviewed the warrant, and said the raid was "unconscionable." >>

The breadth of the warrant greatly concerned critics of the warrant.

<<Lewis, the former cybercrimes investigator, also questioned why authorities seized thumb drives and memory cards to investigate accessing an online messaging system. "The only things I think that you would have had probable causes to seize would be the router and the computers" as well as the modem. Jones' router and modem weren't seized. >>

Also problematic is that the warrant was issued by a new and inexperienced judge, only recently appointed by DeSantis. Somebody carefully planned this alleged violation of Jones' privacy rights.

<<The judge that signed the warrant was appointed by Governor Ron DeSantis in October and sworn in last month. Signing the warrant was his first act.>>

I wonder if the judge will face a disciplinary hearing before this is over.

https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/...line-JQC-Cases

[BNBR]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Jones is suing Florida over what she claims was a "sham" warrant, and she may have a strong case.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rebekah...earch-warrant/

<<Cyber security and digital rights experts questioned the evidence presented to the public thus far by state agents to justify the execution of a search warrant Monday on a fired Florida Department of Health data scientist, calling it "thin" and "fishy.">>

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/n...er/3867058001/

Just as with phone numbers, IP addresses can easily be spoofed.

<<"It is well known that IP addresses can be spoofed. In other words, I can make an IP or I can make it look as though Internet traffic is coming from somewhere else," said Kevin Butler, associate director of the Florida Institute for Cybersecurity Research and a professor of computer science at the University of Florida.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, the country's leading internet civil liberties and data privacy advocacy group, in 2016 published a 22-page white paper laying out why IP addresses on their own are unreliable personal identifiers, and are commonly misused or misunderstood by police and the courts. A key reason is that information can often relay through multiple IP addresses.

"It's a thin read to just use the IP address, and it's one that we really, really discourage," said Cindy Cohn, the EFF's executive director. "An IP address is nothing, is not even remotely like a fingerprint... the reason that we worry about IP addresses is the cops will often pretend like they're a fingerprint.">>

The Florida Today article explains how easy it is to spoof and IP address and wonders what other evidence was used to obtain the search warrant. The article strongly suggests that the Jones warrant was a sham and an act of political retaliation and also a fishing expedition to identify Jones' sources among current Florida state employees. My hunch is that Florida will offer to settle the Jones lawsuit for significant monetary damages rather than see officials either perjure or embarrass themselves and the DeSantis administration in sworn testimony. What will be interesting is whether Jones is interested in any settlement or if she wants a public trial to expose what she considers a sordid invasion of her rights.

<<Sarasota attorney Ron Filipkowski, who resigned from a state commission in protest of the raid on Jones' home, agreed.

"I have handled a lot of these kinds of cases in my career, and generally, the way that this statute is used, is to prosecute people who are hacking into other people's systems to steal their identity, to steal their money, to crash their servers, to cause some sort of harm to that person or entity, which is not present here," Filipkowski said. The now former Republican was reappointed last year by DeSantis to the 12th Judicial Circuit Judicial Nominating Commission, which nominates judges to fill vacancies.

Filipkowski, in his resignation letter, said he reviewed the warrant, and said the raid was "unconscionable." >>

The breadth of the warrant greatly concerned critics of the warrant.

<<Lewis, the former cybercrimes investigator, also questioned why authorities seized thumb drives and memory cards to investigate accessing an online messaging system. "The only things I think that you would have had probable causes to seize would be the router and the computers" as well as the modem. Jones' router and modem weren't seized. >>

Also problematic is that the warrant was issued by a new and inexperienced judge, only recently appointed by DeSantis. Somebody carefully planned this alleged violation of Jones' privacy rights.

<<The judge that signed the warrant was appointed by Governor Ron DeSantis in October and sworn in last month. Signing the warrant was his first act.>>

I wonder if the judge will face a disciplinary hearing before this is over.

https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/...line-JQC-Cases

Strong case? Lol.

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by BNBR

Strong case? Lol.

Strong case against her.

IP addresses can be spoofed? No ****! That’s what VPNs do. But guess what? Ultimately, everything can be traced. Every. Damned. Thing.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Arcenal352

Strong case against her.

IP addresses can be spoofed? No ****! That’s what VPNs do. But guess what? Ultimately, everything can be traced. Every. Damned. Thing.

Can you document these statements???

The experts quoted in the Florida Today article say that you don't know what you're talking about, but IMO that's nothing new for you.

[BNBR]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Can you document these statements???

The experts quoted in the Florida Today article say that you don't know what you're talking about, but IMO that's nothing new for you.

That would be one hell of a setup. To the point of it being highly unlikely. Someone would have to actually have access to her network to even know what her IP is. And spoofing an IP to look like it belongs to her is not simple.

Anything is possible... but it's incredibly improbable that someone spoofed her IP and that people like the Governor really even give a damn about this girl to hatch a massive conspiracy against her like this. That's tin foil hat stuff.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by BNBR

That would be one hell of a setup. To the point of it being highly unlikely. Someone would have to actually have access to her network to even know what her IP is. And spoofing an IP to look like it belongs to her is not simple.

Anything is possible... but it's incredibly improbable that someone spoofed her IP and that people like the Governor really even give a damn about this girl to hatch a massive conspiracy against her like this. That's tin foil hat stuff.

Again, what's your documentation to support your statements that contradict the several statements in the Florida Today article that claim it's very easy to spoof an IP address? You don't believe that the DeSantis administration could easily find her IP address?

And again, if someone in the DeSantis administration didn't care about Jones, why was such a significant effort undertaken given the very minor offense, as described in the Florida Today article? There may be many much more serious and actual internet hacks and fraud schemes underway in Florida that haven't drawn any similarly substantial investigative efforts.

Here's the rub. If Jones' suit goes to discovery, the motivations and actors in her case will become known. Such disclosure likely will be a lose/lose situation for the DeSantis administration.

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Can you document these statements???

The experts quoted in the Florida Today article say that you don't know what you're talking about, but IMO that's nothing new for you.

What??? Okay... So how does one spoof an IP address to link it to her? Please, entertain me.
Or are you just going to give us another copy/paste wall of text of mumbo-jumbo again?

When you don't know, you just don't know. And you clearly do not.

*Signed, an actual computer "expert."

Please let's not get into this. I'll have a field day with you.

[Corrie22]

how can you tell if she sent it...without doing forensics on her stuff

...the original email she sent would still be somewhere in there

and you can't do any of that....without taking her stuff

The Florida Today article is total bullcrap.....no you don't need to take all her stuff to see if the IP's match....but you do if you want to find the original email