[himain]

I was given info that the Governor is holding back vaccines for the second shots so all old people can get them first. Front line workers are not being given their second shots in Miami

[Corrie22]

Ron DeSantis
@GovRonDeSantis
This morning I was asked to address recent comments from the White House about Florida’s vaccine allocation. Here is my statement

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/s...93308004413441

DeSantis>>>"We're not going to divert second doses away from seniors....So if the implication is you should be giving those doses away to other people, that's not the way the FDA has prescribed the series. "
"We are committed to ensuring our seniors are the priority and get their and get their second dose, if the White House is suggesting we shouldn't be doing that, I don't think that's a good suggestion. "

[luvmyhoss]

Originally Posted by cfenn006

Completely False.
Otherwise there would be no scheduling for 2 week doses. Like they are doing right now in many places Clinical Trials were rushed with and are not completely verifiable like other vaccines in the past. That is why there are many conflicting reports and studies. The main goal was patient safety during the process with most CT restrictions and protocol being lifted. They are trying to go the most conservative route, which isnt feasible considering the short supply.



The Govenor can ask all he wants, his state received the 3rd most amount of any state. He wants to prioritize his state over the rest of the country during a global supply shortage, when he made no effort to follow reccomended guidelines from the healthcare community that lead to the spread to this level, he is out of line by doing so.

There is NO scheduling for two week doses. You are wrong

[Corrie22]

"TALLAHASSEE — In a reversal, Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday that the state is now withholding COVID-19 vaccines to ensure seniors and healthcare workers can get their second doses.

As hundreds of thousands of Floridians approach the 28-day deadline this week to receive their second Moderna vaccine dose, DeSantis guaranteed there would be enough supply to meet the demand.

“We’re not going to divert second doses away from seniors,” DeSantis said. “Seniors want it. We’re going to do it. So, if the implication is you should be giving those doses away to other people, that’s not the way the FDA has prescribed it.”'

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...-second-doses/

"DeSantis, bristling at the implication that he wasn’t administering doses fast enough, said Tuesday that it was keeping supply on hand for second doses."

"there is no difference between first and second doses of the vaccine."
“If you get a shot at Publix three weeks ago, they’re getting the booster shot sent to them for you to have that appointment to be able to do it,” he said.

[Jim1921]

Originally Posted by cfenn006

Completely False.
Otherwise there would be no scheduling for 2 week doses. Like they are doing right now in many places Clinical Trials were rushed with and are not completely verifiable like other vaccines in the past. That is why there are many conflicting reports and studies. The main goal was patient safety during the process with most CT restrictions and protocol being lifted. They are trying to go the most conservative route, which isnt feasible considering the short supply.



The Govenor can ask all he wants, his state received the 3rd most amount of any state. He wants to prioritize his state over the rest of the country during a global supply shortage, when he made no effort to follow reccomended guidelines from the healthcare community that lead to the spread to this level, he is out of line by doing so.

Your post is false and also reckless. The label and dosing schedule is based on the clinical trials. You have provided no proof of 2 week intervals. Tell us what credentials you have to even make suggestions that are not consistent with the clinical data as well as what has been approved by the FDA. Tell us also as to what was not verified in the trials with these vaccines versus past vaccines. Tell us which studies in the vaccines are conflicting with each other. You are making comments that lack any factual support.

Next, it was already explained that states are given volumes based on population. Florida is getting the same allocation per capita as all the other states. Since Florida is the 3rd largest state, it is obvious why the have received the third largest allocation.

Florida’s death rate is substantially lower than states like New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, yet you want to bash DeSantis. Florida only has supply for 6.6% of its population, yet you still think DeSantis is wrong in asking for more.

[cfenn006]

Originally Posted by Jim1921

Your post is false and also reckless. The label and dosing schedule is based on the clinical trials. You have provided no proof of 2 week intervals. Tell us what credentials you have to even make suggestions that are not consistent with the clinical data as well as what has been approved by the FDA. Tell us also as to what was not verified in the trials with these vaccines versus past vaccines. Tell us which studies in the vaccines are conflicting with each other. You are making comments that lack any factual support.

Next, it was already explained that states are given volumes based on population. Florida is getting the same allocation per capita as all the other states. Since Florida is the 3rd largest state, it is obvious why the have received the third largest allocation.

Florida’s death rate is substantially lower than states like New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, yet you want to bash DeSantis. Florida only has supply for 6.6% of its population, yet you still think DeSantis is wrong in asking for more.

You've provided nothing besides your longwinded opinion. My two week source was my grandparent's PCP who walked us through the process and answered all of our the questions. We are still a few days from her 2nd dose appointment 2 WEEKS, she didnt want to screw around with the Publix rollout which is already not working for many. I trust a doctor who has been at least briefed over all the data and conflicting reports over the Know It All blowhards on City Data, sorry.


You didnt explain anything, just defended an idiotic politically charged public statement from DeSantis. Does he expect 40 Million Vaccines carted in overnight because he bungled the COVID handling so bad??? His outcry was strategically placed after the new administration was sworn in and they responded appropriately. You still have half remaining... focus on that and get in line. His people even confirmed they are not properly reporting tracking appropriately so this is another layer of his terrible response.

[cfenn006]

Every state wants more vaccines... maybe taking steps to ensure FLORIDA. RESIDENTS got vaccinated and not just handing off aparrently untraceable amounts to a supermarket wasnt the way to go. The FED has a supply chain team monitoring this very closely and all DeSantis has is excuses.

[Jim1921]

Originally Posted by cfenn006

You've provided nothing besides your longwinded opinion. My two week source was my grandparent's PCP who walked us through the process and answered all of our the questions. We are still a few days from her 2nd dose appointment 2 WEEKS, she didnt want to screw around with the Publix rollout which is already not working for many. I trust a doctor who has been at least briefed over all the data and conflicting reports over the Know It All blowhards on City Data, sorry.


You didnt explain anything, just defended an idiotic politically charged public statement from DeSantis. Does he expect 40 Million Vaccines carted in overnight because he bungled the COVID handling so bad??? His outcry was strategically placed after the new administration was sworn in and they responded appropriately. You still have half remaining... focus on that and get in line. His people even confirmed they are not properly reporting tracking appropriately so this is another layer of his terrible response.

It is not my opinion. This is public information. You want a source? Read the product label for both vaccines. Start with the Moderna Vaccine:

https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vac...0aAvxREALw_wcB

This webpage gives a link to the clinical data as well.

The clinical data has also been peer reviewed and published in the New England Journal. There is zero data on any other dosing regimen and your anecdote is not supported by any data. I am also thinking you are making it up about the PCP as inventories are being held back to align with the dosing interval.

You have failed to provide any data or factual support for any other dosing interval. You have failed to support your earlier claim about these vaccines having clinical data. You are now conveniently avoiding those topics.

Your earlier comments about DeSantis asking for more vaccines were also silly for the reasons already given. Are you having reading comprehension issues?

[Jim1921]

Originally Posted by cfenn006

Every state wants more vaccines... maybe taking steps to ensure FLORIDA. RESIDENTS got vaccinated and not just handing off aparrently untraceable amounts to a supermarket wasnt the way to go. The FED has a supply chain team monitoring this very closely and all DeSantis has is excuses.

And there you go again making unsubstantiated claims. Tell us how you came to the conclusion that vaccines given to Publix as untraceable. Are you familiar with the keeping of medical records? Apparently not.

Secondly, the Fed does not have a supply chain. They do not take physical control of the vaccine. The supply chain starts with the manufactures and is then distributed through 3PLs. All production number and timing are merely estimates. There are no guarantees. The manufacturing and supply of vaccines are very complex. A Governor would not be doing his or her job if he/she was not actively pursuing more supply. You keep making statements with very little knowledge.

Again, you are making extremely reckless posts.

[cfenn006]

Originally Posted by Jim1921

It is not my opinion. This is public information. You want a source? Read the product label for both vaccines. Start with the Moderna Vaccine:

https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vac...0aAvxREALw_wcB

This webpage gives a link to the clinical data as well.

The clinical data has also been peer reviewed and published in the New England Journal. There is zero data on any other dosing regimen and your anecdote is not supported by any data.

You have failed to provide any data or factual support for any other dosing interval. You have failed to support your earlier claim about these vaccines having clinical data. Yo-yo are now conveniently avoiding those topics.

Your earlier comments about DeSantis asking for more vaccines were also silly for the reasons already given. Are you having reading comprehension issues?

Here's all the "Facts" that are needed:


https://www.fda.gov/patients/drug-de...nical-research



That link is the FDA itself outlining the Clinical Trial Process. Notice the timeline of EACH PHASE. Do you maintain these Clinical Trials are 100% to the accepted process??? If you do there is nothing more to discuss or your case to attempt to talk down to me about.


Again, I base my information off the medical professionals with industry experience and what they advise, not City Data Doctors like yourself. When one of them tells me this whole process is rushed on a vaccine for a virus that had less than a year of R&D, with a long term limited supply that we will have to be proceed with caution and possibly take the 2nd outside what is advised if it's necessary at all. All that matters is that the evidence suggests (based on less than a year of CT) that the vaccine is safe. Nothing about being effective long term if you think there is, who is being silly then?



The link of studies you provided is off the Moderna website???

Really, ever hear of a company putting negative studies on their website?

I bet you buy stocks based off a company's forward thinking statements with that logic.



Apologize for DeSantis all you want. Florida is not being treated unfairly by the FED like he is attempting to spin it. The undeniable fact is that there isn't enough vaccines to go around, and his crying for more and accusing foul at White House just shows he is still not taking this seriously. His inability to properly track the vaccines delivered is a failure on his part, and the FEDs called him on it. He has nobody to blame but himself and his people.