[elchevere]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

US News & World Report ranks Florida #1 for higher education, and New York 16th:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ings/education

When you drill down on their methodology, it has a lot to do w/ affordability of higher education. Look at the costs of NYU, Cornell, & Columbia versus Florida, Florida State, and Central Florida as a comparison.

applying out of state, let alone cross country, from NYU, Cornell, and Columbia vs. FL schools--which ones do you think will get you in more doors for the interview and/or job offer, which presumably is a major reason one selects a university?....one cannot understate the importance of alumni connections either. Cheapest, i.e. affordability, does not necessarily = best. If it did, more would choose SUNY Brockport over Columbia (assuming they could get admitted to the latter).

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by elchevere

applying out of state, let alone cross country, from NYU, Cornell, and Columbia vs. FL schools--which ones do you think will get you in more doors for the interview and/or job offer, which presumably is a major reason one selects a university?....one cannot understate the importance of alumni connections either. Cheapest, i.e. affordability, does not necessarily = best. If it did, more would choose SUNY Brockport over Columbia (assuming they could get admitted to the latter).

I think that's a no brainer. Even if a school in FL is a good school it's not the same as having something like those schools.


I'm from St. Louis and Wash U for example is top of the line there. Get a degree there and you're ahead of others in the pack.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by elchevere

applying out of state, let alone cross country, from NYU, Cornell, and Columbia vs. FL schools--which ones do you think will get you in more doors for the interview and/or job offer, which presumably is a major reason one selects a university?....one cannot understate the importance of alumni connections either. Cheapest, i.e. affordability, does not necessarily = best. If it did, more would choose SUNY Brockport over Columbia (assuming they could get admitted to the latter).

If you are not a rich Blueblood, you are not getting any degree from NYU, Cornell, or Columbia, but you can get a degree from Florida, so for the 99%, Florida colleges/universites open more doors, and lead to more job offers.

For the top 1% of uber leftsits kids, then the socialist indoctrination camps in New York posing as places of higher learning.

[foodyum]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

If you are not a rich Blueblood, you are not getting any degree from NYU, Cornell, or Columbia, but you can get a degree from Florida, so for the 99%, Florida colleges/universites open more doors, and lead to more job offers.

For the top 1% of uber leftsits kids, then the socialist indoctrination camps in New York posing as places of higher learning.

This is just not true. Columbia has great financial aid. Many are very poor and go for free. Same with Cornell although not to the same percentage. Over 50% qualify for financial aid at all 3 schools so by definition they are not “rich blue bloods”.
They probably aren’t in the 1% when they get accepted but good chance that the degree will make it possible to earn enough to enter that category before they hit 40.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by foodyum

This is just not true. Columbia has great financial aid. Many are very poor and go for free. Same with Cornell although not to the same percentage. Over 50% qualify for financial aid at all 3 schools so by definition they are not “rich blue bloods”.
They probably aren’t in the 1% when they get accepted but good chance that the degree will make it possible to earn enough to enter that category before they hit 40.

If your kid wants to come out of college with $100k+ of student loans, go for it. My kid just graduated with zero debt and a high credit score.

Read this link, and look at the images and read the passage about no protection for the NYU students, and tell me you want your kids to go to NYU:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/29/nyc-ba...essness-soars/

NYC is a very dangerous place...parts of it is just drug infused zombies and drug dealers after dark. I dont want my kid anywhere near this mess.

Scan through the pics of Univ of Florida:

https://www.google.com/search?q=univ...&bih=755&dpr=2

No sane person would choose NYU over Univ of Florida for their kid after reading this article and seeing these images.

[foodyum]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

If your kid wants to come out of college with $100k+ of student loans, go for it. My kid just graduated with zero debt and a high credit score.

Read this link, and look at the image of the NYU dorm building, and tell me you want your kids to go to NYU:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/29/nyc-ba...essness-soars/

NYC is a very dangerous place...parts of it is just drug infused zombies and drug dealers after dark.

I have been in the dorms at nyu, Columbia and Cornell hundreds of times. They are fine. NYU is in one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the world. Washington square park environs is a very exclusive address.
And I live 5 miles from Columbia univ. It is safer than when I lived in downtown Sarasota this winter!
I don’t think you have a good understanding of what these campus’ are like. When was the last time you spent any time at any of them? I’ll be at the Cornell campus next week and am on the the campus of the other 2 often monthly.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by foodyum

I have been in the dorms at nyu, Columbia and Cornell hundreds of times. They are fine. NYU is in one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the world. Washington square park environs is a very exclusive address.
And I live 5 miles from Columbia univ. It is safer than when I lived in downtown Sarasota this winter!
I don’t think you have a good understanding of what these campus’ are like. When was the last time you spent any time at any of them? I’ll be at the Cornell campus next week and am on the the campus of the other 2 often monthly.

Tell it to US News & World Report who ranks Florida's advanced ed #1 and New York's #16.

Tell it to CNN whose article I linked to that said NYU students do not have adequate police protection.

If people have to be in NYC in person to see it all, why do we need the news media?

Your account is anecdotel...maybe you are so accustomed to seeing bad stuff, you don't even notice it anymore.

I'm going with the articles, & images, & video's I've seen of NYC in the media.

Also anecdotel, but my wife was there a few months ago to see some shows, & garbage was piled up high along the streets... no trash collection for a while it appeared.

Don't believe me, ask the hoards of New Yorkers moving to Florida. Some days it seems like I see more New York car tags down here, than Florida car tags.

New York is losing Billions in taxable income due to massive net outbound domestic migration:

https://www.thecentersquare.com/new_...67cd41881.html

The horrific crime has spilled into the affluent areas of NYC now too. Read about this horrific crime on the Upper East Side:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...stroller-baby/

New York is losing police officers and detectives in droves:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/frustr...ve-had-enough/

Are we to discount all of these media sources I've cited, and believe you?

[foodyum]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

Tell it to US News & World Report who ranks Florida's advanced ed #1 and New York's #16.

Tell it to CNN whose article I linked to that said NYU students do not have adequate police protection.

If people have to be in NYC in person to see it all, why do we need the news media?

Your account is anecdotel...maybe you are so accustomed to seeing bad stuff, you don't even notice it anymore.

I'm going with the articles, & images, & video's I've seen of NYC in the media.

Also anecdotel, but my wife was there a few months ago to see some shows, & garbage was piled up high along the streets... no trash collection for a while it appeared.

Don't believe me, ask the hoards of New Yorkers moving to Florida. Some days it seems like I see more New York car tags down here, than Florida car tags.

New York is losing Billions in taxable income due to massive net outbound domestic migration:

https://www.thecentersquare.com/new_...67cd41881.html

The horrific crime has spilled into the affluent areas of NYC now too. Read about this horrific crime on the Upper East Side:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...stroller-baby/

New York is losing police officers and detectives in droves:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/frustr...ve-had-enough/

Are we to discount all of these media sources I've cited, and believe you?

I’m telling you my personal, on the ground opinion after visiting these schools and hiring grads.
I trust my own very extensive life experiences rather than your sources.
Florida grads are generally meh when compared to Columbia, nyu and Cornell.
Ymmv.
And I have hired hundreds of grads an done on campus interviews at many universities.

I can unequivocally tell you walking on the streets around Columbia or nyu is much much safer after 10pm then downtown Sarasota. I will not walk alone in downtown Sarasota after 10 or 11pm and will have no issues in the nyu or Columbia neighborhoods. Ithaca is very very safe btw.
I think you need to actually have some real experience instead of quoting the Ny post.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by foodyum

I’m telling you my personal, on the ground opinion after visiting these schools and hiring grads.
I trust my own very extensive life experiences rather than your sources.
Florida grads are generally meh when compared to Columbia, nyu and Cornell.
Ymmv.
And I have hired hundreds of grads an done on campus interviews at many universities.

I can unequivocally tell you walking on the streets around Columbia or nyu is much much safer after 10pm then downtown Sarasota. I will not walk alone in downtown Sarasota after 10 or 11pm and will have no issues in the nyu or Columbia neighborhoods. Ithaca is very very safe btw.
I think you need to actually have some real experience instead of quoting the Ny post.

I quoted 5 different sources, the NY Post is just 1 of them, and a local publication at that. Here are more:

https://nyunews.com/news/2022/04/15/...us-nyc-safety/

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politi...ement-officers

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/n...al-health.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/29/n...-shot-nyc.html

This source says there were 1173 crime incidences at NYU in 2019!:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colle...nt-life/crime/

The NYT's link are paywalled, but you can see the headlines and pull them up yourselves.

These are dark days for NYC, so says the media. Are you saying the media's lying about it? ...cops quitting in droves, Hundreds of police investigators quitting, Mother of 5 month old shot in the head while pushing stroller on Upper East Side, rampant crime at NYU? People are not being pushed in front of subway trains here in Sarasota, & Florida's hiring new police officers from New York, & paying them re-lo bonuses.

[foodyum]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

I quoted 5 different sources, the NY Post is just 1 of them, and a local publication at that. Here are more:

https://nyunews.com/news/2022/04/15/...us-nyc-safety/

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politi...ement-officers

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/n...al-health.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/29/n...-shot-nyc.html

This source says there were 1173 crime incidences at NYU in 2019!:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colle...nt-life/crime/

The NYT's link are paywalled, but you can see the headlines and pull them up yourselves.

These are dark days for NYC, so says the media. Are you saying the media's lying about it? ...cops quitting in droves, Hundreds of police investigators quitting, Mother of 5 month old shot in the head while pushing stroller on Upper East Side, rampant crime at NYU? People are not being pushed in front of subway trains here in Sarasota, & Florida's hiring new police officers from New York, & paying them re-lo bonuses.

Yes. I am saying that nyc is great. There is crime of course but nothing that is stopping me or my senior aged girlfriends from going out to dinner and having a good time until late in the evening. I have dinner plans tonight around nyu. I am repeating - it is more dangerous and scary in downtown Sarasota.
So yes. If the articles are saying you are taking your life in your hands for a bunch of senior women to eat in a cafe and walk home alone at night, likely a little drunk , then that is just not true.
I’ll be posting here tomorrow after my life threatening evening out- I’m sure of it.
And I might even take the subway OMG.
ETA: if you tell me the weather in Florida this week is terrible and hot and you refuse to be outside past 10am, and then all I read about in the newspaper is all the great outdoor activities, who should I believed your on the ground opinion or the newspapers.