[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Tsitsipas

FL needs a real, organized evacuation system to address all of the issues that make people hesitant to evacuate.

Yes!
What could that be...all i can think of are 6 lane highways....turned into 5 lanes headed away? One lane going towards the area to help?
It's a mind puzzler!
Of course, building homes to handle this kind of ordeal? I just dunno.

BUT, if we can spend billions in space travel...this CAN be figured out.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by Tsitsipas

People like to push the Florida Man image of these tough (or foolhardy) locals who refuse to evacuate and would rather go down with their ship.

Something that is not talked about much is that many people evacuate once and say never again. It can be such a traumatic ordeal that they decide they'd rather face a hurricane than what they experienced trying to evacuate. FL needs a real, organized evacuation system to address all of the issues that make people hesitant to evacuate.

Sorry, but all I’m seeing are more excuses. If authorities issue a mandatory evacuation, and you refuse to abide by their demands, then don’t complain. And especially, don’t go to the media with a sob story.

People who don’t evacuate make it dangerous for their family, their pets, their neighbors and first responders.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by sinatras

It is not sensationalism. It's the truth.

For many people, evacuating is not an option. Too expensive, no transport, etc. Then, many people tried to evacuate and had to turn around due to gridlock, no gas etc.

Evacuating is a lot easier said than done, and these people and MANY others will choose not to; as they have done in the past and as they will do in the future.

Now what I want to know is: Why does Florida, a state that should be better prepared for hurricanes than any place else, not offer free transportation and free hotel rooms for people who can't afford to evacuate? I know that Miami-Dade does this but availability is spotty.

Are you serious? Really? No transportation? to expensive? We're talking about a lot of people who live on or near the water. Free free free. How does free fix anything? If anyone expects government to be their mommy then this is the wrong state to live in. CA or NY would love to have you.

Florida is the U.S. model for hurricane preparedness, in spite of you claiming other wise. Even Joe Dementia said so.

[sinatras]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

Are you serious? Really? No transportation? to expensive? We're talking about a lot of people who live on or near the water. Free free free. How does free fix anything? If anyone expects government to be their mommy then this is the wrong state to live in. CA or NY would love to have you.

Florida is the U.S. model for hurricane preparedness, in spite of you claiming other wise. Even Joe Dementia said so.

If Florida was great at hurricane preparedness, we wouldn't have 120 people dead. The most deaths since 1935.

We wouldn't have people without clean water or power for weeks. Which could easily be solved by solar power and flood mitigation efforts like not bulldozing over wetlands.

Seems like Florida is going backward, not forward, when it comes to hurricane preparedness.

[Tsitsipas]

Here are some evacuation problems that need to be solved:

1) The predicted path / track of a hurricane often changes in the final day or 2 before landfall. This presents an enormous challenge in terms of who should evacuate, when, and to where. Often the wrong area is evacuated, those people take all the gas and hotel rooms, then nothing is left for the people who actually get hit. Or people will evacuate to another part of the state and then the hurricane turns and heads straight for that area.

2) People stuck in evac traffic for so long they run out of gas with no way to refill their tank because there is no gas left at any gas station. This should never, ever happen in the state of Florida. It's unacceptable and can be solved with real leadership.

3) Insufficient accommodations. When everyone leaves at once all of the hotel rooms and airbnb's in FL and GA get snatched up quick. People end up fleeing as far as Mississippi, Virginia, Tennessee just to finally secure accommodations. If you have pets it's even more difficult to find a place to stay. Plus you have no idea when you'll want to return home so you need flexible accommodations, not to mention the expense if you end up needing a place for a week or more. Shelters in their current form, packed with thousands of people and pets with no personal space or privacy, are not an acceptable solution.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by sinatras

If Florida was great at hurricane preparedness, we wouldn't have 120 people dead. The most deaths since 1935.

We wouldn't have people without clean water or power for weeks. Which could easily be solved by solar power and flood mitigation efforts like not bulldozing over wetlands.

Seems like Florida is going backward, not forward, when it comes to hurricane preparedness.

You seem to have all the answers, but no way to achieve them. Much of what you say is impossible to solve. When you issue an evacuation order, and people don’t follow it, then what?

These people didn’t ignore the evacuation order because they couldn’t evacuate. They did so because they were complacent and thought it wouldn’t get that bad. They didn’t WANT to evacuate. There’s no way to solve that problem aside from dragging people from their homes.

[Tsitsipas]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

They didn’t WANT to evacuate. There’s no way to solve that problem aside from dragging people from their homes.

One way to make people want to evacuate would be to make evacuation a reasonably pleasant experience. Or at least make it a less harrowing one. There needs to be a clear choice between dealing with a hurricane vs dealing with an evac ordeal.

[sinatras]

Originally Posted by Tsitsipas

Here are some evacuation problems that need to be solved:

1) The predicted path / track of a hurricane often changes in the final day or 2 before landfall. This presents an enormous challenge in terms of who should evacuate, when, and to where. Often the wrong area is evacuated, those people take all the gas and hotel rooms, then nothing is left for the people who actually get hit. Or people will evacuate to another part of the state and then the hurricane turns and heads straight for that area.

2) People stuck in evac traffic for so long they run out of gas with no way to refill their tank because there is no gas left at any gas station. This should never, ever happen in the state of Florida. It's unacceptable and can be solved with real leadership.

3) Insufficient accommodations. When everyone leaves at once all of the hotel rooms and airbnb's in FL and GA get snatched up quick. People end up fleeing as far as Mississippi, Virginia, Tennessee just to finally secure accommodations. If you have pets it's even more difficult to find a place to stay. Plus you have no idea when you'll want to return home so you need flexible accommodations, not to mention the expense if you end up needing a place for a week or more. Shelters in their current form, packed with thousands of people and pets with no personal space or privacy, are not an acceptable solution.

Yep. I know people who started booking hotel rooms two weeks before Ian hit Florida, when it was just a little blob near South America called Invest 98.

[sinatras]

Originally Posted by Tsitsipas

Here are some evacuation problems that need to be solved:

1) The predicted path / track of a hurricane often changes in the final day or 2 before landfall. This presents an enormous challenge in terms of who should evacuate, when, and to where. Often the wrong area is evacuated, those people take all the gas and hotel rooms, then nothing is left for the people who actually get hit. Or people will evacuate to another part of the state and then the hurricane turns and heads straight for that area.

2) People stuck in evac traffic for so long they run out of gas with no way to refill their tank because there is no gas left at any gas station. This should never, ever happen in the state of Florida. It's unacceptable and can be solved with real leadership.

3) Insufficient accommodations. When everyone leaves at once all of the hotel rooms and airbnb's in FL and GA get snatched up quick. People end up fleeing as far as Mississippi, Virginia, Tennessee just to finally secure accommodations. If you have pets it's even more difficult to find a place to stay. Plus you have no idea when you'll want to return home so you need flexible accommodations, not to mention the expense if you end up needing a place for a week or more. Shelters in their current form, packed with thousands of people and pets with no personal space or privacy, are not an acceptable solution.

My understanding also is that the NHC may do away with the "cone of uncertainty" next year. They are going to review it. A storm's center goes outside the cone about a third of the time – a well-publicized stat. So it's clearly not working as a forecast track.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by sinatras

My understanding also is that the NHC may do away with the "cone of uncertainty" next year. They are going to review it. A storm's center goes outside the cone about a third of the time – a well-publicized stat. So it's clearly not working as a forecast track.

How many hours before landfall is this statistic based upon? If you have a link discussing this issue, it would be appreciated. Thanks for posting this info!