[stars99]

Key West and downtown St. Pete are the two that come to mind

Originally Posted by BCreass

I've actually wondered what the most "walkable" city in FL is....because it's certainly not Miami.

[EnjoyTheSilence]

Originally Posted by OrlandoRE_Miracle

Key West and downtown St. Pete are the two that come to mind

In all the years of living here, I have not ventured down to Key West yet.

[stars99]

Very touristy, but it's worth going to see. Beautiful drive down the highway, interesting places and restaurants to stop along the way. Park your car in a garage immediately because you won't need it at all while you're there. Be careful, if you like to drink a lot, you may end up never leaving.

Originally Posted by BCreass

In all the years of living here, I have not ventured down to Key West yet.

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by Doctor Octagon

worse than the heat and humidity,

Native Floridian, lol.

[psouth]

Originally Posted by compelled to reply

Native Floridian, lol.

I think what the good doctor is saying is that at least the oppressive heat and humidity will not be rude to you, cuss you out, shoot you, stab you, drive you off the road, rob you, lie to you, or try to push a Florida Ponzi scheme off on you. Yes the heat and humidity is always 110% trustworthy. It will always be there just like the sun rises every morning. It is every Floridian's friend or foe.

[EnjoyTheSilence]

Originally Posted by psouth

I think what the good doctor is saying is that at least the oppressive heat and humidity will not be rude to you, cuss you out, shoot you, stab you, drive you off the road, rob you, lie to you, or try to push a Florida Ponzi scheme off on you. Yes the heat and humidity is always 110% trustworthy. It will always be there just like the sun rises every morning. It is every Floridian's friend or foe.

If you're on the beach and enjoying the ocean, the heat and humidity is hardly going to bother you, in fact, you'll appreciate it. Personally, I find it oppressive at times, especially if I want to walk anywhere, or if I'm outside working on something. Our climate is in no way one of the worst climates to be found in the US though and for 3-4 months of the year (December through March), it's often perfect, since it's cooler at night and during the day, the temperature is usually in the upper 70's/low 80's with relatively low humidity.

[Doctor Octagon]

Originally Posted by psouth

I think what the good doctor is saying is that at least the oppressive heat and humidity will not be rude to you, cuss you out, shoot you, stab you, drive you off the road, rob you, lie to you, or try to push a Florida Ponzi scheme off on you. Yes the heat and humidity is always 110% trustworthy. It will always be there just like the sun rises every morning. It is every Floridian's friend or foe.

Exactly, I can stand the heat and humidity (but even as a native Floridian) I dont like it when it's oppressive. But, I could stand it better if not for some of the big issues (like highlighted above) places like S FL and Orlando have.

[TANaples]

Last July when I went to the beach in Naples the air temp was 95 degrees. The water temp was 89 degrees. Refreshing? I think a cold shower at home would be more so.

[stars99]

Is Naples a highly walkable city? I've never been down there.

[grapico]

Originally Posted by BCreass

When I started truly living here, working, commuting and interacting with people here, I quickly began to hate the place.

Firstly, many northerners envy FL for the weather, but the weather really isn't that great. For 9 months of the year, the humidity is unbearable and there's little respite from the sticky, oppressive heat that forces you to have your AC on 24/7. I was in Boston a few days ago where it was actually hotter than here in Miami (93 degrees), yet the heat in Boston was 100 times less oppressive than 80 degree heat in Miami (I could even go out and do things, walk around and have fun without feeling like I stepped into a sauna).

Also, having just got back from a real city and a truly beautiful state (Boston, Massachusetts), Miami and Florida in general seem even more soulless than they did before. There's no character here, no old buildings, little diversity in architecture, strip malls, gas stations, fast food restaurants, condos and cookie cutter homes on every corner. Miami is basically one big, ugly suburb and a huge grid system city, just like Los Angeles. There are also probably more fast food chains in South Miami than there are in the entire state of MA.

The worst part; the people. It is very difficult to make friends in a place like this, where so many people are pretentious, rude, self-serving and narcissistic beyond belief. It is hard to strike up a normal conversation with anyone here and many people don't even speak English. Culturally, South Florida is completely different to the northeast, or to any other part of the United States. People here tend to be very rude too and most lack respect and common courtesy. South Florida itself has become a haven for immigrants from South/Central America, many of whom have decided to turn this place into the places they left behind, rather than assimilate.

The drivers here are terrible too...horribly reckless, stupid and macho (bad mix). People say that drivers are as bad in Boston, yet I drove through Boston during rush hour on Friday and while I saw quite a few examples of aggressive/big city driving, it wasn't remotely as intimidating as driving on an expressway in Miami. What also shocked me in MA was that drivers were actually courteous and would even stop to allow you to make a left hand turn, even if it was their right of way. That happened to me many times in MA, but it has never happened in Miami.

There is simply nothing for us to do here. In MA, people walked, jogged, cycled and were out at all times of the day/night. South Florida is so car-centric that you rarely see this. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if you're not a sun/beach/club person, you will find this place very boring.

As soon as the economy picks up and we have a bit more saved, we're out of here.....Florida is not for us.

Key parts in bold...

very true, nothing we'd want to do, we sit around...
friends here? non existent, have tried, most people are rednecks or douchebags... and it isn't me and my gf, we have plenty of friends elsewhere. (something in the water?)

sun/beach/party ...and i'd add mud/fish here, but there are a lot of so fla people here too for university... drop the latinos, insert rednecks...you just described it here.


but Yeah I was partially raised here, it was only when I started living here, not being a student in my little school cliques (who all my friends there left), not being in my parents house, not going to the beach or being able to actually wear shorts and no shirt all the time... doing stuff not involved with school...that I started to see the true reality of FL and grew to hate it. I left after college and lived abroad, and lived in a real city (Chicago) It is even worse being back this time around. I'm out in less than a month, I hope you get out soon. I honestly don't even want to visit here again, I'll pay for my mom and dad to come out to SF (another real city), or wherever I am at even later in life.