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Old 08-31-2008, 07:54 PM
 
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Old 08-31-2008, 08:46 PM
 
Location: i see rude people (orlando)
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Of course, who wouldnt like to look at mountains?
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:01 PM
 
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Diversity, good weather, nice people, change of seasons, dont have the traffic/crime/hurricanes of many FL cities, decent schools, things to do, etc...
None of the above which is true, except for the hurricanes and change of seasons. The crime there is high (just look it up), not a lot of diversity (just look it up) and the schools suck (juts look it up) and the traffic is getting worse (just visit). REALLY nice place to visit or retire though, but it's basically set up like a historic Florida city on high altitude steroids. A lot of "trustafarian" types too. I would rather live in Vermont for that kind of city.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:15 PM
 
Location: i see rude people (orlando)
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Wrong. I used to live there. There ARE people from everywhere there, including FL, I met them. No, there arent a lot of Haitians and Cubans if you needed that in your "diversity" category. The schools ARE better than most FL areas, I attended them. The crime is not high, I think there was like 11 murders there in 2003 or so, which was the highest when I lived there. Traffic is NOTHING compared to many FL areas, especially when comparing South FL. Although in the summer, there are tons of halfbacks in cadillacs yapping about how cheap it is to live there. And the people are most definitely, absolutely, without a doubt nicer. And there are a lot of things to do there, except the beach of course.

The only thing I could agree with you on, as a person that has actually lived there, is that there are a lot of "trustafarians."
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:26 PM
 
Location: i see rude people (orlando)
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"The crime is not high, I think there was like 11 murders there in 2003 or so, which was the highest when I lived there."


I just looked up 2006, and there were 1/3 of what I mentioned in 2003 or so.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:33 PM
 
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I know all about manufactured homes, my parents own a second home built like this. So I know plenty about it. It gives people a false security, its really sad. My parents know to not put anything of value in the 2nd home, as it could get destroyed. Even it can resist a hurricane of Cat 3, it will not survive a tornado that is part of hurricanes. Or the flying debris like a 2x4, a 2x4 will go right through that Hardy board (I went though Hurricane Andrew Cat 5, FYI.) I will never forget this 2x4 that was stuck in this HUGE Royal Palm near a friends home, that Hardy Board will be nothing for that 2x4.

I hope for your sake, you will never have to go through a storm while owning a manufactured home. I truely hope you don't.

To all those thinking of buying a stick built home, a mobile home or manufactured home, make sure you have the proper amount of home insurance because you most likely will be needing it to replace everything.
If you can buy a condo that is CBS or a home that is CBS.
I saw the devastation of Countrywalk during Andrew, and I totally agree with the assessment that CBS is far superior to stick-built or manufactured during a hurricane. My point is not that manufactured housing is as strong as that, but that there are more similarities to stick-built than most people realize, and that the two are comparable in modern construction. Specs on the stick-builts we looked at were vinyl siding over tyvek, over particle board over 2 x 4" studs, with 5/8" sheetrock. Specs on the manufactured were Hardy board over tyvek over particle board, over 2 x 6" studs (16" O.C.) with 1/2" sheetrock. Of the two, manufactured is stronger than stick-built. NEITHER is as strong as CBS, nor as well suited to the humid and insect heavy climate of much of Florida.

I hope I never have to take a direct hit from a tornado in any structure. Our property currently has one underground storm shelter about 600' from the house, and we plan (as money allows) on another very close to the house with a hallway leading to it. Our area has no hurricane issues but does have tornadoes, and my opinion is that no private dwelling above ground is safe in an F4 or F5 tornado, CBS included.
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Old 08-31-2008, 10:18 PM
 
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The crime is not high, I think there was like 11 murders there in 2003 or so, which was the highest when I lived there.
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That is a tad misleading, because it does not apply to your personal safety in any way unless there were people just getting shot walking down the street. Most murders are domestic, drug related, or personal revenge related no matter where. I'm looking at burglaries, robberies, thefts, crimes that affect people at random. And even if you are going to use murder as a personal safety measure, you have to factor in the number for how many people live there, and gather a per 100,000 rate, which turns out to be competitive with some Florida cities like St. Petersburg or Miami and significantly higher than others like Tampa or Ft. Lauderdale.

Crime in Asheville by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Murders 5 4 1 12 8 6 2 4
per 100,000 7.8 5.8 1.4 16.9 11.4 8.6 2.8 5.4
Rapes 45 24 42 44 26 36 16 49
per 100,000 70.4 34.6 59.9 61.8 37.2 51.3 22.4 66.5
Robberies 216 238 217 197 221 251 229 206
per 100,000 338.0 342.9 309.7 276.7 316.1 357.8 320.0 279.6
Assaults 290 222 215 223 201 180 187 214
per 100,000 453.8 319.8 306.9 313.2 287.5 256.6 261.3 290.5
Burglaries 894 969 905 790 960 1,087 991 793
per 100,000 1399.0 1396.0 1291.7 1109.4 1373.1 1549.6 1384.6 1076.4
Thefts 3,473 3,316 2,918 3,112 3,541 3,371 3,642 2,834
per 100,000 5434.9 4777.3 4164.9 4370.4 5064.6 4805.8 5088.7 3846.8
Auto thefts 423 399 436 483 502 526 633 472
per 100,000 662.0 574.8 622.3 678.3 718.0 749.9 884.4 640.7
Arson 14 35 45 53 48 29 40 25
per 100,000 21.9 50.4 64.2 74.4 68.7 41.3 55.9 33.9
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 287.3) 632.4 540.8 511.9 535.5 561.1 577.5 542.9 486.5

OK, so let's compare that rate to some of Florida's similarly sized cities...

Crime in Bradenton by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Murders 2 4 5 8 7 4 3 4
per 100,000 4.2 8.0 9.8 15.5 13.4 7.5 5.5 7.3
Rapes 21 15 20 32 29 18 18 10
per 100,000 44.1 30.1 39.4 61.8 55.4 33.5 33.1 18.2
Robberies 108 159 98 151 162 126 111 137
per 100,000 226.6 318.9 193.0 291.7 309.7 234.8 204.3 249.9
Assaults 216 283 221 267 257 237 186 259
per 100,000 453.2 567.6 435.2 515.8 491.4 441.6 342.3 472.4
Burglaries 758 691 725 769 894 674 597 580
per 100,000 1590.3 1385.9 1427.5 1485.5 1709.2 1256.0 1098.7 1057.9
Thefts 1,987 1,930 1,936 2,180 2,073 2,100 1,944 1,799
per 100,000 4168.7 3871.0 3812.0 4211.1 3963.4 3913.2 3577.8 3281.3
Auto thefts 295 316 388 351 353 338 291 261
per 100,000 618.9 633.8 764.0 678.0 674.9 629.8 535.6 476.1
Arson 10 2 3 0 0 0 0 1
per 100,000 21.0 4.0 5.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.8
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 287.3) 529.8 551.9 509.6 597.7 594.5 495.3 430.2 442.0

Crime in Boca Raton by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Murders 3 1 1 2 1 2 0 3
per 100,000 4.1 1.3 1.3 2.6 1.3 2.5 0.0 3.4
Rapes 8 16 14 11 10 22 15 13
per 100,000 11.0 20.7 18.3 14.1 12.7 27.4 18.8 14.8
Robberies 72 52 65 63 46 82 53 72
per 100,000 99.0 67.4 84.7 80.6 58.4 102.3 66.4 81.7
Assaults 109 141 116 129 118 149 173 150
per 100,000 149.9 182.7 151.2 165.0 149.7 185.8 216.7 170.3
Burglaries 734 742 665 545 597 600 591 551
per 100,000 1009.6 961.5 867.0 697.1 757.3 748.2 740.3 625.5
Thefts 2,029 2,097 1,990 1,927 1,722 2,152 2,071 2,232
per 100,000 2790.9 2717.3 2594.5 2464.7 2184.5 2683.6 2594.2 2533.7
Auto thefts 288 263 188 213 203 256 182 168
per 100,000 396.1 340.8 245.1 272.4 257.5 319.2 228.0 190.7
Arson 3 0 2 2 3 4 16 2
per 100,000 4.1 0.0 2.6 2.6 3.8 5.0 20.0 2.3
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 287.3) 290.8 279.2 257.0 242.7 221.1 280.0 252.1 237.6

Crime in Lakeland by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Murders 2 1 4 3 5 3 6 3
per 100,000 2.7 1.3 5.0 3.7 5.7 3.3 6.6 3.3
Rapes 42 48 59 44 39 31 26 57
per 100,000 55.9 60.4 73.3 53.6 44.4 34.5 28.8 63.2
Robberies 233 136 248 250 215 162 140 202
per 100,000 309.9 171.0 308.1 304.7 245.0 180.4 155.0 223.9
Assaults 312 262 270 368 257 217 265 331
per 100,000 415.0 329.5 335.5 448.6 292.9 241.6 293.3 366.9
Burglaries 1,260 1,246 1,326 1,018 954 1,084 912 1,140
per 100,000 1676.1 1567.1 1647.5 1240.9 1087.2 1207.0 1009.4 1263.7
Thefts 4,472 3,983 3,899 3,332 3,844 3,774 3,755 3,666
per 100,000 5948.8 5009.4 4844.4 4061.5 4380.5 4202.1 4156.0 4063.9
Auto thefts 477 326 497 345 367 328 378 352
per 100,000 634.5 410.0 617.5 420.5 418.2 365.2 418.4 390.2
Arson 16 17 11 16 13 0 12 12
per 100,000 21.3 21.4 13.7 19.5 14.8 0.0 13.3 13.3
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 287.3) 632.0 510.9 586.6 514.3 463.8 418.5 411.8 480.0

(I couldn't resist)
Crime in Weston by Year
Type 1999 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Murders 0 3 0 0 0 0 0
per 100,000 0.0 5.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Rapes 3 5 3 3 5 4 6
per 100,000 11.4 9.9 5.8 4.8 7.9 6.2 9.0
Robberies 4 10 6 9 25 18 16
per 100,000 15.3 19.8 11.6 14.4 39.3 27.7 24.0
Assaults 45 43 41 68 92 109 74
per 100,000 171.6 85.0 79.5 108.5 144.6 167.8 110.8
Burglaries 129 88 117 75 123 141 157
per 100,000 491.9 174.0 227.0 119.6 193.3 217.0 235.1
Thefts 395 383 333 326 585 599 749
per 100,000 1506.1 757.5 646.1 520.1 919.4 922.0 1121.5
Auto thefts 75 66 63 53 65 33 61
per 100,000 286.0 130.5 122.2 84.6 102.2 50.8 91.3
Arson 1 3 4 6 6 10 11
per 100,000 3.8 5.9 7.8 9.6 9.4 15.4 16.5
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 250.9) 165.6 95.6 75.6 65.8 105.5 102.9 105.2


Yes, you do see a drop in crime there for 2006 in Asheville, however you have to realize crime in some of the cities is up from record lows.
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Old 09-01-2008, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Jupiter FL
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Now is the time to move back. You probably can find a foreclosure CBS house. I understand your being afraid to stay in a mobile... but a lot of people have found that other places in the south are "different" and they want back and I think many will come back once they sell where they are now.

FL has problems with hurricanes and humidity but you don't have to go far to find that it is below 20 many mornings during the winter... Even without snow that is a pain.
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Old 09-01-2008, 12:06 PM
 
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None of the above which is true, except for the hurricanes and change of seasons. The crime there is high (just look it up), not a lot of diversity (just look it up) and the schools suck (juts look it up) and the traffic is getting worse (just visit). REALLY nice place to visit or retire though, but it's basically set up like a historic Florida city on high altitude steroids. A lot of "trustafarian" types too. I would rather live in Vermont for that kind of city.
I''m backing up compelled to reply on both posts. We recently sold our Asheville vacation home - beautiful place to visit, but no different from a Florida resort to live except it's mountains instead of beaches and you have a change of weather. There is no real "diversity" unless you count lots of hippies, trustafarians, outright bums and panhandlers and religious zealots "diverse" (among others). When we first visited Asheville it seemed great - downtown was lively and I enjoyed seeing the "eccentrics." But every year after, more of the "cool" businesses left downtown due to soaring real estate, there is NO economy there other than hospitality (worse than Florida), violent crime rate is rising all over, as well Asheville is NOT commutable to any big city - and guess what? They saw PLENTY of damage from the hurricanes of 2004! There is also a tremendous prejudice against people from Florida, and the political climate way too radical (go downtown and you will see "Berkeley-esque posters and bumper stickers everywhere)

This past year when I saw an outright congregations of able-bodied bums camping under a bridge downtown (yes, they hit everyone up for money) I said "what are we doing, let's buy our vacation place closer to home." So we sold Asheville and bought in Sarasota, and that city just blows Asheville out of the water. Don't get me wrong, Asheville IS a very beautiful city, but it will best be enjoyed a week or two out of the year, especially during fall season. And by the way, winters are cold and bleak, no leaves on the trees, and gray and wet with numerous ice storms.
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Old 09-01-2008, 01:50 PM
 
Location: i see rude people (orlando)
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No arguing, but have to throw in my 2 cents... I never said that I loved Asheville, but it is far better than S FL. I lived in Asheville area for 13 yrs!!!

I didnt compare it to Sarasota. Sarasota is waaaaay too hot in the summer for me. When I'm in SW FL, it feels even hotter than here in Orlando. I remeber at night, a couple months ago when we were there, we were sweating at night going to dinner. I remember watching the news, and there was a heat index of 90 degrees at 9pm. Sarasota is beautiful, as is Asheville, but Asheville has much more of a mixed/diverse crowd than Sarasota. And as far as jobs and so forth, I think I'd stay away from a Sarasota v. Asheville comparison when talking about jobs too. Both may be lacking, but I'd go with Asheville having the better jobs market. Yes, Sarasota is artsy with fine dining and tons of blue haired folks from NY and Massachusetts with lots of money, but that doesnt diversify the area. It brings in more expensive restaurants and art galleries, but that doesnt benefit everyone.

I was in Asheville in 2004, I saw the damage. There was a lot of water damage, but lets not compare hurricanes and weather damage amongst the two, that'd be silly.

Prejudice against Floridians? Perhaps, but remember, how far it that gonna go when 1/4 of Asheville's population is from FL? Not too far. I see just as much prejudiced folks in FL as I do in Asheville.


Asheville isnt commutable to any big cities? How about 2 1/2 hrs from Charlotte? Or 3 plus hrs from Atlanta? How about Sarasota? And driving in Asheville and surrounding areas are so much better than most of FL, because the people drive a lot better, and usually the scenery is better. Would you rather drive around WNC or look at billboards and concrete on I-4?

It's funny when people who had a summer home or research stats on the 'net want to debate amongst folks that lived there for 13 yrs, who have lived it, saw it, and done it. But that's me. I feel like I am a very good source for this information.

I do agree with one thing... the fanatics/radicals... there is a lot of that there, no doubt.

Sarasota and Asheville arent for everybody, but both are definitely beautiful.

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