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Old 02-03-2015, 09:23 AM
 
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That's a false argument which belies the true nature of the problems caused by human overpopulation. It's not just about humans--it's also about the many other species with which we share this planet.
A false argument, eh? Care to back that up with some logic? Considering farmers are paid to NOT grow food, much of the food is grown to use in fuel (ethanol), and the fact that many modern nations discard nearly as much food as they consume tells me through simple logic that we have plenty of resources. We are allocating most of them to a small percentage of the population and that small percentage sees fit to waste those resources.

Additionally, the current system of corporate capitalism (driven by consumerism) means the faster that resources are consumed to make "products", the faster profits are realized. Take a look at any given retail store in any modern consumer-driven nation. Take a look at the super market shelves and wonder just how much of that material goes past its "sell by" date without being sold. Check out a dumpster behind any corporate food chain or restaurant (especially fast food)... let me know what you see.

Only someone who would ignore or defend the current consumer-driven, waste filled system would think that the argument is "false". Time to start thinking outside of the box and consider the entire system of resource allocation when analyzing just how much is available to be used on this planet.

And there is nothing false about the fact that eugenicists have used the 'overpopulation, not enough resource' argument to push the eugenics agenda.
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Old 02-03-2015, 09:45 AM
 
Location: SC
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Organic foods are not realistic.
Umm, organic foods are what humans and our ancestors have been eating and evolving on for millions of years, they just didn't label food "organic" because DDT, chemical-sprayed food, and Monsanto are only recent plagues to modern man. All foods have been "organic" since time began.

Saying organic food is not realistic is like saying drinking clean, non polluted water is not realistic.
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:03 AM
 
Location: CO
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They are incredibly realistic. I have seen them up close.

But seriously. There is no food shortage, organic or not.

Every year, half of the available food in America, whether sourced here or imported, is thrown away.
In the summer I like to drink a 1% organic chocolate milk that I could always find at my local, well-stocked grocery store. For the past several months it and some of the other organic milk products have been missing from the shelves. A sign on the cooler door reads "There is a nationwide shortage of organic milk. Some products are not available."
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Informed choice.
Some people like processed food, and others want to eat organic food. There is everything for everyone.
Organic does not mean "not processed" food. Organic food is produced without the use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Processed food is taking the raw food ingredients and making something else from it. For example: all cheese is a "processed food" in that milk and other ingredients are mixed together and then left to change into something else. If the milk and other ingredients are organic, then the cheese can be considered "organic", too. However, if chemicals are added to the cheese to speed up the process or change the flavor or color, it's not "organic".
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Organic foods are not realistic. If all farms were organic, there would not be enough food for the world. You see, organic crops do not yield the same amount as nonorganic. Just a couple of years back, the government announced to farmer's that we need to nearly double our yields in 10 years or so or we would have a food shortage. Meadows were put into corn, famer's plowed as close to ditches and roads as they could get, every possible niche of land was opened up for crops.
That's not a problem with organic foods - it's a problem with excessive numbers of people.

Aside from that, the logic that something isn't useful if it can't be used by all seven-plus billion of us is nonsensical. You might as well claim "I don't believe in cars because impoverished third-worlders can't afford them!".

You seem to have some sort of emotional dislike of organic foods, and are reaching - without success - for some sort of logical reason to support your pre-existing dislike of them.
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:50 AM
 
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That's not a problem with organic foods - it's a problem with excessive numbers of people.

Aside from that, the logic that something isn't useful if it can't be used by all seven-plus billion of us is nonsensical. You might as well claim "I don't believe in cars because impoverished third-worlders can't afford them!".

You seem to have some sort of emotional dislike of organic foods, and are reaching - without success - for some sort of logical reason to support your pre-existing dislike of them.
Why is it that so many pro-organic people think that the eugenicists' propaganda is realistic? I try to go as organic as possible but I don't think it's even a little bit realistic that there are too many people in the world.

See my posts above. The distribution of food, education, and wealth in this world is the problem, not the people.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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Saying organic food is not realistic is like saying drinking clean, non polluted water is not realistic.
Oh, don't put that past anyone. The OP undoubtedly believes this too.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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Organic food is produced without the use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides.
Well, technically that isn't true either. There are many chemical fertilizers and pesticides that are considered "organic". They are simply known not to harm beneficials and are considered non-toxic.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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A false argument, eh? Care to back that up with some logic?
It's a false argument because that's not the real (or at least the only) issue. Of course, if you don't care about the other species which inhabit this planet, you will never realize that.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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It's a false argument because that's not the real (or at least the only) issue. Of course, if you don't care about the other species which inhabit this planet, you will never realize that.
Oh, the head slap made your point so much more strong! It's not a false argument because it is the real issue. Those species are much more horribly affected by the corporate and industrial world destroying their habitats not by regular people! And guess who benefits from those corporations/industries... it sure isn't the vast majority of people who are actually taken advantage of by them. Nope, it is the small portion of the population that wastes much of the things that those industries produce (while destroying the environment and taking advantage of people). The same people that waste a majority of the food which is grown/produced apart from that which wasn't produced thanks to government payoffs and ethanol production.

And guess who are the people who keep pushing the eugenics / unsustainable population agenda... you guessed it, the people who OWN those industries which destroy the environment, take advantage of people, and encourage waste. The same people who would rather incite war than allow resources to be fairly distributed... Does that make me triple-right?
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