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Red meat consumption is positively correlated with colon cancer, and that's been replicated in many, many research studies, but I don't see people rushing to give up their hamburgers.
BTW, I'm completely on board with mostly shopping the perimeter of the grocery store with a brief detour through the freezer section to pick up bags of frozen berries and spinach and the bulk section for whole grains, olive oil, and nuts.
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In real life, I rarely ever talk about my food choices, because people can get weird about it. The nice ones will say something about how they're starting to eat more fish ... but I have had 2 people (both avid hunters, ironically) who were down right a--holes about it: 1 came at me with a hamburger patty and the other mixed meat drippings into my food and told me about it afterwards. ETa: oh, and one other person told me I was being "unbiblical".
I just want to say, those are not the normal reactions of meat eaters, those are the actions of anti-social jerks. Tampering with someone's food, in particular, even something as 'innocuous' as adding an undesired food, is borderline psychopath behavior.
Red meat consumption is positively correlated with colon cancer, and that's been replicated in many, many research studies, but I don't see people rushing to give up their hamburgers.
BTW, I'm completely on board with mostly shopping the perimeter of the grocery store with a brief detour through the freezer section to pick up bags of frozen berries and spinach and the bulk section for whole grains, olive oil, and nuts.
Colon cancer is not common in Asia where Soy is highly consumed.
Second, zur Hausen found that the increased risk for red meat seems to be restricted to countries with a high rate of beef consumption. Countries with a high dietary intake of mutton and goat, such as Arabian states, have a relatively low incidence of colorectal cancer compared to North America, Europe and Australia. India, where beef is largely avoided due to religious reasons, has the lowest rate of colorectal cancers in the world.
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My wife is from Japan. Before her my thought of tofu went back to the 70's when someone thought it would be cool to make tofu hotdogs. Grossist crap ever! Yet, after I married her my outlook on tofu changed. I eat it when she makes if it's not in Miso soup, but when other foods like Mabo dofoo (probably not correct spelling), I love it!
As far as myths go, well that what they are: myths. BTW, my wife thought the idea of eating tofu hotdogs was gross too.
Oh, I know. The one who put meat drippings in my food I never spoke to again after I left, but I straightened it out with Hamburger Guy. He thought he was being funny, but I told him flat out "I've never tried to push my diet on you or anyone else. Can you see the irony of your literally shoving your views in my face?" He felt really bad, especially after I made it a point to tell him that I have no issues with hunting, even if I choose not to eat the end product. AND I always bring BLT coleslaw to cook outs (with real bacon). As penance he ate a veggie burger.
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I just want to say, those are not the normal reactions of meat eaters, those are the actions of anti-social jerks. Tampering with someone's food, in particular, even something as 'innocuous' as adding an undesired food, is borderline psychopath behavior.
I'm not understanding why so many in this thread are acting as though tofu is some highly-processed product. The only ingredients needed for tofu are water and soybeans!
So you're saying preaching one lifestyle choice against another is okay, as long is it agrees with your lifestyle choice? Anything to the contrary is moot?
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I find that interesting. One argument over 'ethics', rules out over anothers idea of 'ethics'.
This is a common objection from meat eaters. It's an attempt to reduce ethics to a matter of opinion, but it's doubtful that you actually believe such a thing. If a murderer said that he thought his actions were right, and that you shouldn't come at him with your own view of "ethics," you wouldn't cede the argument and say "Fine -- you can have your ethics, and I can have mine." The same can be said for racism, sexism, etc. I doubt you would have the same "I'll do me and you can do you" mentality on those topics. So, you don't actually believe that it is absurd for one view of ethics to rule out another view of ethics. You really do believe in moral truth, you just don't think this is an issue where such truth exists.
Soy contains phytoestrogens. They do have measurable biological effects in mammals consuming them. (As tofu is basically a processed food, its not clear to me how much of the original phyoestrogen content is in there compared to the unadulterated soy bean - someone must have studied that though). Some scientists have suggested that the effect is an evolutionary measure to reduce fertility in male herbivores grazing on said plants. That's just a speculation of course. Research is ongoing re. effects on human, they may be more protective against pathologies in women, but nothing definitive yet. And the chances that once-weekly tofu consumption would have a significant effect on a male - virtually zero.
The phytoestrogens compete with actual estrogen for estrogen receptors, reducing the amount of actual estrogen uptake.
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... but I have had 2 people (both avid hunters, ironically) who were down right a--holes about it: 1 came at me with a hamburger patty and the other mixed meat drippings into my food and told me about it afterwards. ETa: oh, and one other person told me I was being "unbiblical".
