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Old 10-13-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: New York
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Worse, they can actually do this with a straight face. .
Strelnikov responding to you comments/questions - I could write a book on every situation and still fall short of every little tactic a bank will use to regain lost profit (or not to lose profit). Starting at the top, below is a brief summary.

You have to understand how the banking system works in relationship to our economy. Wall street investors are giving money to Mortgage banks to lend. The banks are writing loans to home owners for purchases and refinances. The bank then receives monthly payments from the home owner, which is pooled and passed back to the investors. The investors are looking for a return on their money. This is called a Mortgage Backed Treasury (MBT). The banks are making a small percentage on the interest rate with each loan.

During the life time on a loan, many time home owners experience banks changing. When this happens, banks are selling loans based on the future profit.
Example:Bank A does a 300,000.00 loan for home owner, over the life time of the loan they expect to collect $100,000 in interest (total amount $400,000). A short period later - Bank A sells the loan note to Bank B for $375,000. For the home owner to payment stays the same, only the name and address chnange where to make the payments. Poosibly a third time - Bank B sells the bank note to bank C for $350,000. Again only the name and address change. This analogy is every day between banks with 100's if not 1000's of loans pooled together. It is mind boggling on the amount of profit made.

Your question about them looking at profit in the long run. On average across America it costs banks around a total of $60,000 to have a foreclosure run it's course. In a bad location with home values have dropped, it is very easy to understand why people are living for extended periods before a home is lost. It would cost the bank more than the property is worth to foreclose. This is very predictable. Banks are mostly looking at the future profits of what they receive, verse what is going to keep the loan. If it is going to cost them more in the future.

You find it amazing banks put people off, then wanting to discuss the problem. I cannot tell you how many people I have spoken too where the bank lied to the home owner and end up denying them for a loan modification. Banks are looking to determine who much income comes into the house. If there is not enough, they deny on no affordability. If there is allow of income, the is using the raise the payment to cover any arrears, escorow shortages, fees, or penalizes.

People are going to their lender for a resolution, the bank is not responsible to tell you how to do or how not to be approved for a modification. Bottom line - it is all in the presentation to the bank, on wheter ther modification is going to benefit the lender. This is why people hire Mortgage Attorney to represent them. Another analogy could be the bank is on top, the loan is in the middle, and the home owner is on the bottom. A mortgage attorney is at a higher level - eye to eye with the bank, because the attorney doesn't her the loan with the bank.

You mention bankruptcy? I talk people out of BK, because the are other alternatives to take, less damaging for ones credit/financial future. Many people go to wrong type of attorney, getting the wrong advice. If a person needed a pair of glasses to see and they went to a foot doctor. They'd get a pair of glasses seeing 2 feet in front of them. Like doctors, being an attorney is a high specialized field.

A chapter 13 will stop a foreclosure stone cold. The homeowner will start making payments to a trustee for up to five years. The bankruptcy appears on their credit for 7 years, it will be a few years before they can qualify for another home loan - if they do it will be at a higher interest rate. If they make a late payment to the trustee, the bank can file a "relief of stay" to remove the mortgage from the BK.

Doing a chapter 7 with a 1st mortgage is used to postpone an existing sale date. This delays the foreclosure form happening for a period around 3 months. This is used when a home owner makes the minimum amount to support their loan.

How mortgage attorneys work, we take the battle to the lender, filing a moratorium to postpone a foreclosure if they is affordability with a lower payment. A bankruptcy attorney takes the battle to the courts. Most time the trustee payment is higher. Noting this is not one case that fits all.

End point - your are a number - as the next loan after you is a number. Lenders treating people as if they are stupid and disposable. They don't care because you are a negative number. Even if you were a positive number, possibly them treating you with more respect - your still a number in there computer.

Finally - speaking on a physiological view and the stressful condition known as anxiety as we get older. This is different for every individual. Our economy is driven by greed and profit. We as a nation need a serious change....

Sorry I got long winded - I enjoy what I do...


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Old 10-18-2011, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Willow Spring and Mocksville
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....You find it amazing banks put people off, then wanting to discuss the problem. I cannot tell you how many people I have spoken too where the bank lied to the home owner and end up denying them for a loan modification. Banks are looking to determine who much income comes into the house. If there is not enough, they deny on no affordability. If there is allow of income, the is using the raise the payment to cover any arrears, escorow shortages, fees, or penalizes.

People are going to their lender for a resolution, the bank is not responsible to tell you how to do or how not to be approved for a modification. Bottom line - it is all in the presentation to the bank, on wheter ther modification is going to benefit the lender. This is why people hire Mortgage Attorney to represent them. Another analogy could be the bank is on top, the loan is in the middle, and the home owner is on the bottom. A mortgage attorney is at a higher level - eye to eye with the bank, because the attorney doesn't her the loan with the bank.....

Actually, what I found most amazing what that a Consumer Credit Counseling Service and Making Homes Affordable gave absolutely no assistance at all, either. They simply called the Lender, then repeated back what the lender said. They could not even explain the process or the requirements for a modification, much less give any meaningful advice. ("Take a sandwich to work" was the only morsel of wisdom they could offer.) An attorney wasn't much help either. All the attorney could do was ask "so what do you want to do? Pick a card. Bankruptcy? OK, lets do it", offering no advice at all.
I appreciate the detail that you have gone into about the Lenders. But still, I do not see how it benefits the Lender to have an empty unsellable house instead of a lower mortgage payment.
When all is said and done, it still looks like the best thing would have been to have simply walked away in the beginning.
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Old 10-19-2011, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Perhaps someone with more experience can clarify this but a coworker mentioned that because of promised returns for investors, banks cant just break up securities until there is a hardship like a foreclosure. The cost to actually modify loans to pay off the investors of securitized mortgages was far beyond the tarp money amount and thus the mod programs didn't help many people.
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Willow Spring and Mocksville
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Perhaps someone with more experience can clarify this but a coworker mentioned that because of promised returns for investors, banks cant just break up securities until there is a hardship like a foreclosure. The cost to actually modify loans to pay off the investors of securitized mortgages was far beyond the tarp money amount and thus the mod programs didn't help many people.
The qualifications for a mod under HAMP are:
A) Have originated your mortgage before Jan. 1, 2009.
B) Be an owner-occupant.
C) Have an unpaid balance that is equal to or less than $729,750 (for a single-family home).
D) Have trouble paying your mortgage due to financial hardship. That could be because you have had an increase in your mortgage payments, or because your income was reduced or you suffered a hardship (like medical problems) that increased your bills, or, you can show that you soon will be unable to make your payments. You will be required to enter an affidavit of financial hardship.
E) Your monthly mortgage payment must also be more than 31% of your gross (pre-tax) monthly income.

"According to the U.S. Treasury Department, mortgage lenders are getting incentives to modify loans while they are still current: "One-time bonus incentive payments of $1,500 to lender/investors and $500 to servicers will be provided for modifications made while a borrower is still current on mortgage payments." [my italics]



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Old 10-20-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Johns Island, SC
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Default What if?

You move out of state for a job relocation, your house has been on the market over 6months with no serious buyers, you have remained faithful to make every payment, your principle balance and the current appraised value are the same, and you have no extra cash to cover the commission, fees and taxes to sell it for a reduced price? My realtor seems to think we can still get approved for short selling but I have serious doubts. What else can we do besides defaulting and letting it go to foreclosure?
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Old 10-22-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Tampa
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can I sell my house as a short sale if i want to move closer to my job? I took the online assessment of BOA and according to that i dont qualify plus i have $ 15K in saving but in order to sell my home I need to bring at least 30 K to table which i dont have. the realtor i called said I dont qualify for a short sale because i cant prove a hard ship. is that correct? is there any way i can do this?
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