Raising Sea Wall Levels to Hold Back River and Canal Water and Raise Housing Costs (Fort Lauderdale: cul-de-sac, real estate)

[HotandHumid]

Originally Posted by Rumann Koch

$7,000 a month in utilities for one home!

Wow! Talk about a carbon footprint!

Judging from the racing traffic burning up fossil fuels in the Fort Lauderdale area and the lack of use of public transportation by the majority of people here, I'd venture to say most people here don't really care about their carbon footprint and the general attitude is that if this area does see more flooding than it's getting currently from rising sea levels, they'll just pack up and move to some other overdeveloped coastal area and keep on being wasteful until that area starts to goes under water, upon which they'll just move somewhere else again and keep on with their ways unless they decide to take advantage of the option of moving into one of the high rises going up downtown which, considering the power outages during hurricanes and the flooding that occurs from heavy rainfalls during them, along with high tides coming up through the rainwater drains, is looking better than living on the first floor.


At least in a high rise, when the power goes down you can open the windows or your balcony doors without worrying about someone crawling into your first floor house or apartment and you also don't have to worry about your possessions being ruined by flood waters.


I just noticed that the new construction of townhouses on that area of the river that flooded during Hurricane Irma behind where the K-Mart used to be on Oakland Park Boulevard are being built up on pilings. Good idea as some of the houses in that area had over a foot of water in them from flooding during Hurricane Irma and the people who lived their quickly sold their houses to the developer of the townhouses to get out of that flood zone.

Of course, cars parked there under the townhouses will still get flooded when the river comes up during a hurricane with heavy rains if there's a high tide but I guess car insurance covers the replacement of that sort of damage.

[HotandHumid]

Originally Posted by City Guy997S

To put this in perspective:

My uncle built a new house in Harbor Beach in 2004. The driveway was literally a ski slope up to the garage, building it as high as possible on the lot (to prevent flooding in the future). He lived there for 10 years, paid 100K+ a year in taxes, 40K a year in insurance and about 7K a month in utilities. House was a money pit but a rockstar house. He died in 2016 shortly after selling this magnificent house.

Moral of the story, despite the best plans the house outlived him so to worry about catastrophic flooding 50+ years from now is a moot point for most adults as they probably won't be alive to see it. A friend just signed a contract on a 20+ mm house in Ft lauderdale. At his age he won't see any flooding either! Remember, you got to get busy livin' or get busy dyin!

Typical response from the type who lives here. Only concern yourself with yourself and don't worry about trying to make things better in the future.

Plus it's misleading to say that an adult now won't be affected by flooding 50 years from now when the flooding is already happening now. It's not a moot point that downtown Fort Lauderdale saw flooding during Hurricane Irma, along with some low lying neighborhoods and considering all the canals and rivers surrounding this area, we're already seeing more of flooding. Having to pay out over $100,000 for raising your sea walls is affecting people NOW! And it's not like South Florida isn't going to get hit by another hurricane again as this area has a long history of getting hit by them. Check your history books.

[City Guy997S]

Originally Posted by HotandHumid

Typical response from the type who lives here. Only concern yourself with yourself and don't worry about trying to make things better in the future.

Plus it's misleading to say that an adult now won't be affected by flooding 50 years from now when the flooding is already happening now. It's not a moot point that downtown Fort Lauderdale saw flooding during Hurricane Irma, along with some low lying neighborhoods and considering all the canals and rivers surrounding this area, we're already seeing more of flooding. Having to pay out over $100,000 for raising your sea walls is affecting people NOW! And it's not like South Florida isn't going to get hit by another hurricane again as this area has a long history of getting hit by them. Check your history books.

You seem to focus on the ominous things and forget that a hurricane for most people is just an inconvenience with plenty of notice given. I'd rather have hurricanes than tornadoes which have very little notice.

Let's think about the seawall argument. IF you have to do this then you are living in a 1mm+ home already. So you already are paying 20K a year in taxes and the insurance is probably 5-6K at the minimum.

So the evil sea wall salesman knocks on your door and says you will surely be flooded down the river if you don't change the seawall. 100K, whew I just looked under the mattress and I'm short says the misfortunate homeowner who is living in a waterfront million dollar home already.

So a 100K mtg at 4%............get ready, $477 a month. Tragedy averted for less than $120 a week! So for less than $16 a day you have a brand new seawall and if you can skip 2 loaded lattes a day from your evil coffee conglomerate then you won't even have to budget for the new seawall!

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by City Guy997S

You seem to focus on the ominous things

If you believe in global warming...you have to believe in the numbers, right?

Global warming has had no effect on our sea level rise....it's exactly the same rate it's been for over 100 years....less than one inch a decade...9 inches in 100 years

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8724580


Global warming has had no effect on our hurricanes....North Atlantic ACE is flat

http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/students...ated_small.png

[City Guy997S]

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/busines...seu-story.html

Atleast this builder is thinking ahead......high rise apartments to avoid flooding H&H is soooo worried about!

[HotandHumid]

If your electric bill is so high, maybe you should think about getting solar panels installed since we live in the Sunny Fort Lauderdale area and you could probably generate most of the power you need just from solar panels.

It's kinda weird that Florida is the fifth largest state in the U.S. per population but California is light years ahead of Florida when it comes to solar power, even though FPL is required to purchase any extra power that is generated by solar power here.

I've heard people brag about how low FPL's rates are but that's not a good thing when so much fossil fuel gets burned by FPL, especially since Florida is basically at ground zero for rising sea levels and there aren't any hills to move up into as the sea level continues to rise due to the burning of fossil fuels.

[City Guy997S]

Anyone want to chip in for a bus ticket one way to California for someone?

[wharton]

Originally Posted by HotandHumid

It's kinda weird that Florida is the fifth largest state in the U.S. per population but California is light years ahead of Florida when it comes to solar power, even though FPL is required to purchase any extra power that is generated by solar power here.
.

Nothing weird, just pay to pay political corruption. The fact that Florida's utilities were extremely successful in blocking any reasonable attempts to take advantage of solar power is hardly a secret. You want something in Florida, you bring your bags of cash to Tallahassee, and you hand them to the people that matter. That's all it takes. Out of control development, sugar industry destroying the environment, utilities preventing the installation of solar power in one of the best places to install PV in North America? Follow the money trail north. Utilities could care less if they are "forced" to buy your excess PV power, if they have successfully done everything they can, from their bag of dirt tricks, to make it uneconomical for you to install the system in the first place.

[Corrie22]

...it's only 'economical' when the government pays for it with subsidies

[FireStation46]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

...it's only 'economical' when the government pays for it with subsidies

Who’s money do they use to provide subsidies? Fairy Godmothers?