07-14-2010, 12:55 PM
Location: Lehigh Acres
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Along with rights comes responsibilities. For example, Freedom of Speech allows us to speak openly about anti-government views. It does not allow us, however, to incite a riot. Being "free" to do something doesn't necessarily mean you won't face consequences for your actions.
One of those responsibilities is the ownership of guns. If I'm not mistaken, the open carry laws only permit unloaded guns. A concealed weapon can be loaded. So wouldn't the loaded concealed weapon make the owner feel safer?
Also, although I admit I'm no gun expert, seeing a gun hanging on a person's belt or over his shoulder gives one the impression that it's loaded and ready to fire. There's no flashing light that says "ready" or "not ready." So what happens when a person feels threatened, calls the cops and a squad car shows up? Should they assume the man walking down the road or eating dinner at the local Applebee's is simply exercising his right to bear arms or is planning to massacre people who are sipping coffee in the next booth?
Is there a police officer on this board? I'd like to hear his or her opinion. I mean, if everyone has the right to carry a gun in public, then how do we legally discriminate against a responsible, neatly dressed couple taking a stroll down Main St and a couple of gang bangers with prison tattoos looking for trouble? Or maybe they're just a few harmless teenagers having fun but they look like gangsters. It's not a far leap for me to wonder if innocent people will be gunned down since there's no way of knowing who is simply exercising his rights and who is planning to create mayhem.
An unloaded gun is just a funny looking throwing star.
If you are threatened by someone carrying a gun, your priorities are so far twisted that a law-abiding gun owner is the least of your worries.
Opinions are like a-holes. Everyone has one, most of them stink, and we don't want to hear anyone elses but our own. lol
People wouldn't be gunned down if it was legal AND the police really knew the law. Many people are arrested because of un/undertrained officers. "You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride"
07-14-2010, 02:32 PM
Location: North Central Florida
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prison tattoos looking for trouble? Or maybe they're just a few harmless teenagers having fun but they look like gangsters. It's not a far leap for me to wonder if innocent people will be gunned down since there's no way of knowing who is simply exercising his rights and who is planning to create mayhem.
Those two paragraphs pretty much sum up why the concealed law is written the way it is at the current time.
The police would be far to busy running from one "suspicious person with a gun" call to the next to get anything else done. That being said, there are some areas where open carry is allowed, and some states have certain counties, that are remote where it is okay to carry open. Like I said I do not see the law as it stands in FL today changing much anytime soon.
Keep in mind, however there is no such thing as a harmless teenager. They are not allowed to carry guns, concealed or otherwise in public, except at the range, or hunting I believe.
What's a prison tattoo?
YC.......
07-14-2010, 04:29 PM
Location: Cape Coral
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Well, I guess I watch more TV crime dramas than you do!
Just curious...why is it that the U.S. is the most violent nation out of all industrialized countries and has the highest rate of gun-related deaths? Do you think more guns is the answer? You can't even walk around with an open bottle of liquor but you can carry a gun?
I love CSI, Law and Order, NCIS and Forensic Files
We have the highest drug use which increases gun related deaths. That is one reason WHO rates our mortality rates so poorly in relation to other countries.
07-14-2010, 06:05 PM
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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I made no assumption. I made a statement regarding the serious gun folk I know in Florida. I didn't even make any generalities.
Who are these "Serious" gun folk? Sounds kind of snobby.
07-14-2010, 10:13 PM
Location: Wherever I want to be... ;)
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Holy crap... is this seriously a petition for being able to VISIBLY carry a loaded gun in public?!
07-15-2010, 06:01 AM
Location: Lehigh Acres
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Yeah, you've been in commiefornia WAY too long.
07-19-2010, 10:03 PM
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Yeah, you've been in commiefornia WAY too long.
I've read that argument too. So you must be talking about a criminal who doesn't have a gun, right? However, since OC laws say the gun displayed must be unloaded, logic tells me a criminal would be the one with the loaded weapon.
Commiefornia? So suddenly the state where Ronald Reagan was governor for 2 terms is full of communists?
07-20-2010, 04:57 AM
Location: Cape Coral, FL USA
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As far as I know, there are no laws about Open Carry must be an unloaded gun. That would defeat the purpose of carrying a gun. There might be restrictions on how much ammunition you can have, but I have never heard of it being "unloaded". Might as well throw a paper weight at the attacker.
Maybe you're thinking of transportation of a firearm?
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justNancy
I've read that argument too. So you must be talking about a criminal who doesn't have a gun, right? However, since OC laws say the gun displayed must be unloaded, logic tells me a criminal would be the one with the loaded weapon.
Commiefornia? So suddenly the state where Ronald Reagan was governor for 2 terms is full of communists?
07-20-2010, 10:59 AM
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Two recent articles on Florida Open Carry
07-20-2010, 11:04 AM
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As far as I know, there are no laws about Open Carry must be an unloaded gun. That would defeat the purpose of carrying a gun. There might be restrictions on how much ammunition you can have, but I have never heard of it being "unloaded". Might as well throw a paper weight at the attacker.
Only California restricts people to open carry of an unloaded handgun.
There is also a California concealed carry license but it is issued at the mercy of the local sheriff and is impossible to get in most of the state.
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Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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