04-09-2011, 10:50 PM
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I really don't think it has anything to do with their occupation. Joe Schmo can take money from the lobbyists just as easily as anyone else. Maybe more easily.
The percentage of politicians that go on to work for the lobbyists is huge, too.
And the average guy is given this list of platitudes that he happily spiels off, never understanding that he's hurting himself. There's a saying that the poor vote rich. Well, the middle class are doing the same, what little there is left of them. People really don't understand how the government is run or what is going on. Basic stuff most people don't know. And that's part of the plan, too. Don't get them too educated, dontcha know. Gotta keep 'em down on the farm and fighting amongst each other.
its true that anyone can take money however i still would rather seen a broad representation across all types of peoples...
i think in the south especially the democrats would have a solid majority if not for the abortion issue. many who support education and health care can't bring themselves to vote for someone who is pro-choice
04-10-2011, 12:29 AM
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its true that anyone can take money however i still would rather seen a broad representation across all types of peoples...
i think in the south especially the democrats would have a solid majority if not for the abortion issue. many who support education and health care can't bring themselves to vote for someone who is pro-choice
I looked up some of your old posts. At one point you were telling a foreigner on the Fort Myers forum that there were very reasonable self-insurance plans. Now you are complaining?
Are you a teacher?
What do you teach?
I also hate to break it to you but there are plenty of people in The South that do NOT support education or healthcare. In fact I do not know anyone on the right that does. It has nothing to do with abortion.
There's plenty in The South that get a nice government check and vote Republican. And don't really understand what all the fuss about education is about. They have laws here to make sure kids are sent to school. But they wouldn't vote Democrat if you put a gun to their head. Half of them don't even know why. The other half think the Democrats are coming for their check. We had a guy here that walked into a liberal church and started shooting. He said the Democrats took his food stamps away. He had all kinds of books written by the far right in his apartment. And a note stating his views very clearly.
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04-10-2011, 08:33 AM
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There is alot of resentment building up against people in the public sector by those of us in the private sector.Teachers,police,government workers (town,state and federal) and those who are getting entitlements of some kind.
The reason is very simple.....we have watched for years as liberal politicians have voted for bigger and bigger bennies for these groups.....more pay,bigger health benefits,sick days,vacations and retirement plans.....as we have all watched our lifestyle dwindle durring tough economic times.
Unions give millions to democratic candidates who gleefully pay them back with more and bigger perks....all paid for bu us working slobs and small business people..
I'm making what I was 10 years ago....and feel grateful for that.Every nickle that we have we worked hard for and never asked the taxpayers to give us any of the lavish perks that the puiblic sector gets.
Recently,in our small town,there was a town meeting to vote for the new budget.It was stacked with family and friends of every teacher,cop and town employee in the district.A motion to give them all a raise and added benefits was voted down by a narrow margin.As the night went on,many townspeople had to leave to get some sleep for work the next day and they brought the bill back up for reconsideration around midnight......it was passed..........This was standard operation proceedure for years but I believe,that due to public resentment,the tide is turning.
04-10-2011, 08:46 AM
Location: Cape Coral
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you see people on forums such as these and on tv shows all the time complaining about the 'lavish' benefits teachers get. the benefits (and the pay) for most florida teachers is anything but lavish. people with jobs that don't contribute near as much to society as teachers get better insurance for a heck of a lot cheaper for whatever reason many Americans do not value investing in education, but you would think with all the old people (who pay into the system but don't have kids attending) and all the tourism florida could easily afford an education system that would be the envy of most of america
When they say that teachers are over paid that is a generality. They are not talking about Florida's teachers. You should see what teachers get in NY and the suburbs.
About ...$100,000/yr, free medical, $50,000/yr pension, state tax free. They also get a 401k with a guaranteed 8% return. Here in Florida you deserve a raise, but in many places they need a cut.
04-10-2011, 11:09 AM
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I looked up some of your old posts. At one point you were telling a foreigner on the Fort Myers forum that there were very reasonable self-insurance plans. Now you are complaining?
Are you a teacher?
What do you teach?
I also hate to break it to you but there are plenty of people in The South that do NOT support education or healthcare. In fact I do not know anyone on the right that does. It has nothing to do with abortion.
There's plenty in The South that get a nice government check and vote Republican. And don't really understand what all the fuss about education is about. They have laws here to make sure kids are sent to school. But they wouldn't vote Democrat if you put a gun to their head. Half of them don't even know why. The other half think the Democrats are coming for their check. We had a guy here that walked into a liberal church and started shooting. He said the Democrats took his food stamps away. He had all kinds of books written by the far right in his apartment. And a note stating his views very clearly.
there are some affordable self insurance plans, not everyone qualifies for them. I am a teacher, not in Lee County. I currently teach in Texas but will likely be moving to Collier county to teach for the 11-12 school year. i have a job there for next year, just working on selling the house here. My point was that Lee county has extremely high insurance rates for teachers, that is counter to much of what i have read on various media outlets and user comments in swfl. I was asking if the people of Lee county were ok with not providing good benefits to its teachers.
As far as the abortion issue, you couldn't be more wrong. That is the issue that turned the tide for the democrats, especially in the south. It may have happened a long time ago but it is still the polarizing issue for many. I have heard countless times growing up people say "i just couldn't ever vote for someone who was pro-abortion". I talk to people all the time who vote republican and consider themselves conservative yet they support education and (to a lesser extent) healthcare. Just walk into most faculties in Texas, you'll find a lot who are like that. I am not certain what the climate is like in Florida other that what I have heard and written, but I know from actually talking to many folks that many think that way.
04-10-2011, 12:57 PM
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don't worry, you can get on the public option once it comes out... right equal?
Yeah,
But with a little luck the Supreme-court will hammer that so called healthcare law in to smithereens. Still can believe they touted that
Bovine Fecal Matter as healthcare improvement.
2700 pages of mess that everyone is trying to get out off.
That is the best our government could come up with.
I don't know about some other folks but I think we got major problems in DC it was a big mistake to put the progressives in charge.
04-10-2011, 02:09 PM
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As far as the abortion issue, you couldn't be more wrong.
I live in The Bible Belt. Abortion may have been the catalyst that was used for school vouchers long after Roe v. Wade, but greed and a lack of education and ignorance is king now.
The conversation is useless, though.
You were doling out Florida health insurance advice like a pro, too, not that long ago, never actually living in the state. Now you are running around saying the sky is falling.
I hope Collier County's standards are high.
04-10-2011, 02:56 PM
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They do have high standards, they are the top paying school district in Florida (at least for my years of experience + master's degree) and you shouldn't assume that teaching is my only way of making money. I am an accomplished investor and I am moving to swfl because of family and I want to live in a beautiful area. All the data on insurance is available online to me being from Texas about to move to Florida and you being in Tennessee having lived in Florida in the past. It wouldn't have mattered if I was a fisherman from Alaska, it doesn't preclude me from having an opinion (or changing that opinion if the facts that i know change or become apparent). After all you are here commenting on Teacher insurance and you are not a teacher and your opinion is still valid. Your sarcasm is noted, I am guessing you don't handle people not agreeing with you very well?
04-10-2011, 03:45 PM
Location: Central Fl
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Folks, this thread is getting off topic, and in some cases, disrespectful.
Be respectful, discuss the topic, NOT other posters, stay on topic, or this thread will be closed......
Frank
04-11-2011, 05:55 AM
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Health Insurance (does not include dental etc)
If you work as a public teacher in Lee county you would pay 27,792 per year for the high family plan and 13,668 per year for the low plan. So much for teachers having lavish benefits eh? what a joke that school districts hand out chips and medicaid info to teacher hires with master's degrees! the message florida sends to teachers: Come to our cities, educate and care for our children, even though you won't be able to take care of your children. sickening and it was just made worse. Are you people aware that teachers have to pay that much for insurance? and do you have a problem with that?
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No, I don't. I don't care what you pay for health insurance. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. So big deal you're a teacher.....
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Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)