U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Covid-19 Information Page
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Florida > Fort Myers - Cape Coral area
 [Register]
Fort Myers - Cape Coral area Lee County
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
 
Old 11-29-2012, 02:05 PM
 
1,299 posts, read 2,003,616 times
Reputation: 245

Advertisements

And the morons at city hall are at it again,- This time Blowing $800,000.00 on moving birds, that 800 grand by the way is the money they made by not returning the waste management surplus to the rate payers.
Moving birds to Alva, how are they going to keep them there put an armed gard on them, chain them to the ground, they're bird WTH is wrong with these people. And how can they get away with taking money from the citizens of Cape Crappy and wasting it on moving birds instead of returning the money to the people that it belongs too.

"Scrub jay mitigation funding to come from general fund

After almost two years and lengthy debate during the city council regular meeting Monday at City Hall, council agreed to pay nearly $800,000 for the mitigation of scrub jay habitat in Alva with money from the general fund."
Scrub jay mitigation funding to come from general fund - cape-coral-daily-breeze.com | News, sports, community info. - Cape Coral Daily Breeze

 
Old 11-30-2012, 09:21 AM
 
91 posts, read 183,237 times
Reputation: 100
You do know the city is federally mandated to do something right? If they waited they risked loosing a further 5.5 million and having to pay court fees which would likely have been a lot more than the 800k. I don't think anyone save conservationists wanted to spend any money on this but that simply wasn't an option. They could have risked it and tried more avenues but after two years nothing was getting done and no other solutions have been presented.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 05:41 PM
 
1,299 posts, read 2,003,616 times
Reputation: 245
What's your point, we know that the feds are idiots and corrupt. That does not mean that the city can steal the ratepayers surplus.
And relocating animals that can fly is just plain STUPID
 
Old 11-30-2012, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
5,495 posts, read 6,342,099 times
Reputation: 2217
The council probably waited until after the presidential election to see if someone more reasonable would be elected. With Obama reelected, the treehuggers are in command.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral, FL
964 posts, read 1,835,583 times
Reputation: 589
Quote:
Originally Posted by rikoshaprl View Post
The council probably waited until after the presidential election to see if someone more reasonable would be elected. With Obama reelected, the treehuggers are in command.
And thank heavens for that!
 
Old 12-01-2012, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
374 posts, read 696,494 times
Reputation: 365
Quote:
Originally Posted by rikoshaprl View Post
The council probably waited until after the presidential election to see if someone more reasonable would be elected. With Obama reelected, the treehuggers are in command.
AGREED! and we are all screwed. Sad but true.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
5,495 posts, read 6,342,099 times
Reputation: 2217
Quote:
Originally Posted by Izmack View Post
And thank heavens for that!
Everyone likes clean air and water and parkland. What I don't like is the craziness about man made global warming and taxing all energy use that will kill jobs. It is also nuts putting snails, etc ahead of people.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 01:05 PM
 
91 posts, read 183,237 times
Reputation: 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by equalrightsforeveryone View Post
What's your point, we know that the feds are idiots and corrupt. That does not mean that the city can steal the ratepayers surplus.
And relocating animals that can fly is just plain STUPID
The city has two options if they want to develop the land they bought for Festival Park and neither choice was particularly desirable.

The first was to pay for the 800k HCP which allows them to develop now without worrying about issues in the future. It also gets rid of the survey requirements for people who want to buy land that has scrub jays. Those surveys cost more than 25k and that money does not go to the city.

The second was to do nothing and pay for surveys over the next five years which would cost around 80k. If at the end of that time the surveys showed the scrub jays died off or would not be impacted, that would be the end of the cost to the city. However if neither of those conditions are true the city would be on the hook for millions as they would be required to create a new habitat for the scrub jays. Additionally the 27k private scrub jay survey fee would still be in effect.

The only other options would be to not develop Festival Park at all which would be very short sighted IMO or to fight US Fish and Wildlife in court which certainly would cost more than 800k and likely not end with a victory thus putting us right back here. I can see why people disagree with the decision of the council but ultimately it was a rock and hard place decision and not some wasteful spending as suggested in the originating post.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 04:50 PM
 
1,299 posts, read 2,003,616 times
Reputation: 245
Quote:
Originally Posted by Straegen View Post
The city has two options if they want to develop the land they bought for Festival Park and neither choice was particularly desirable.

The first was to pay for the 800k HCP which allows them to develop now without worrying about issues in the future. It also gets rid of the survey requirements for people who want to buy land that has scrub jays. Those surveys cost more than 25k and that money does not go to the city.

The second was to do nothing and pay for surveys over the next five years which would cost around 80k. If at the end of that time the surveys showed the scrub jays died off or would not be impacted, that would be the end of the cost to the city. However if neither of those conditions are true the city would be on the hook for millions as they would be required to create a new habitat for the scrub jays. Additionally the 27k private scrub jay survey fee would still be in effect.

The only other options would be to not develop Festival Park at all which would be very short sighted IMO or to fight US Fish and Wildlife in court which certainly would cost more than 800k and likely not end with a victory thus putting us right back here. I can see why people disagree with the decision of the council but ultimately it was a rock and hard place decision and not some wasteful spending as suggested in the originating post.
This city does nothing but waste taxpayer money and everthing they do turns to crap(see solid waste equipment). I don't care anymore what the morons do, I want my money back form the crooks.
 
Old 02-25-2013, 07:12 AM
 
1,299 posts, read 2,003,616 times
Reputation: 245
HOLD ON TO YOUR SHORTS THEY WAT MORE MONEY.
"Cape Coral's top administrator has a tough sell ahead"

In a memo to council last year, Szerlag said the city needed $14.2 million more for capital purchases this year and should locate another $20.7 million annually over the next five years to properly maintain the city and catch up with years of road resurfacing projects. The $118 million price tag though 2018 equates to nearly $1,000 per resident over the age of 18.

“I firmly believe people will pay a slight premium to live in a premium city,” he said.

HE CANT BE SERIOUS A "PREMIUM CITY" THE GUY IS OUT OF HIS MIND


The layoffs should commence immediately, like in right now. this place already wastes more money then any other city in FL, and has nothing to show for it. PREMIUM CITY ROTFLMAO
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


 

Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Florida > Fort Myers - Cape Coral area
Similar Threads
View detailed profiles of:
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2020, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top