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Old 01-11-2013, 04:15 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral, FL USA
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Your situation is a different than most others...you had no control over what happened in your life at such a young age.....obviously that's not what we were talking about here.
and you know these people personally??
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral, Florida
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I'm with you, Hik. Thanks for injecting some rational thinking and real life experiences into this thread. I have never been homeless, but when my mom died when I was 18 and my dad just 5 years later, things looked bleak for a time. I could've been in those woods or under a bridge in a blink of an eye.

Some folks have absolutely no empathy. It's not always black and white, and that isn't a pun.
The fact of the matter is, these people are sleeping in the woods behind a high school. If they ran into some bad luck and lost everything or had no family or whatever the case my be, you would assume they would find a better area to be homeless. They are in the ghetto and for some reason behind a school where tons of high school kids walk daily, doesn't that seem a little bit strange? It is not a very safe area to just be sleeping in, so there is something else going on here. Empathy is reserved for those that deserve it. I am aware that not every homeless person is a drug dealing junky that is going to try to rob me, but you also don't find many homeless people sleeping in the woods behind a school that don't have an ulterior motive.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Once upon a time there were state mental hospitals that housed the mentally ill homeless. In the 1960's investigations showed that some were horribly run. In the 1970's. the government's began closing these facilities instead of improving them. That, combined with drug and alcohol abuse is the primary reason there are so many homeless on the streets. While on the surface it looks like money was saved closing these hospitals, there are equal costs dealing with the homeless, increased crime etc.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral, Florida
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Once upon a time there were state mental hospitals that housed the mentally ill homeless. In the 1960's investigations showed that some were horribly run. In the 1970's. the government's began closing these facilities instead of improving them. That, combined with drug and alcohol abuse is the primary reason there are so many homeless on the streets. While on the surface it looks like money was saved closing these hospitals, there are equal costs dealing with the homeless, increased crime etc.
There was town close by to where I own a few properties in Connecticut that did this very thing, but it was the early 90's, not the 60's or 70's. They shut down a state run mental hospital as part of budget cuts. The really, really sick people were transferred, but the ones with no family and no money who weren't in to bad of shape were simply released on the streets. It was almost 1500 patients from my understanding and that town went from upper class to trash in less than 5 years. Now you couldn't pay me enough to even drive through some of those areas at night. It's really amazing what "budget cuts" can do, in the long run it costs through the nose for many of them.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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and you know these people personally??


I was commenting on the post from the person who lost both parents by the time they were 23....what freaking people are YOU talking about??
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Old 01-11-2013, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral, FL USA
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Your situation is a different than most others...you had no control over what happened in your life at such a young age.....obviously that's not what we were talking about here.
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I was commenting on the post from the person who lost both parents by the time they were 23....what freaking people are YOU talking about??
How do you what situation that these people have? Do you know them personally? What situation put them there?

Everyone has their story - some stories are easy to lay blame on others, some are easy to blame themselves... but each of us have a story to tell. For some - they would rather be living in the woods because their pride is too much to ask for help. Others have people that will take it upon themselves to make sure their friend / family member is taken care of no matter what. Others are wrapped up in their own lives that they just don't care.

A lot of homeless are not going to be in the SW part of the Cape, hanging out near Paeseo, or any richy areas because its easy to push them away - not to be seen / "ruin the landscape" for others. They will be living in the "ghetto".

No matter how close our shoe size is to another's life experience - we cannot walk in another's shoes, but I find it heavyhearted that people's actions are that they are to someone that 1. they do not know and 2 cannot even defend themselves by telling their own story.
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:49 AM
 
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How do you what situation that these people have? Do you know them personally? What situation put them there?

Everyone has their story - some stories are easy to lay blame on others, some are easy to blame themselves... but each of us have a story to tell. For some - they would rather be living in the woods because their pride is too much to ask for help. Others have people that will take it upon themselves to make sure their friend / family member is taken care of no matter what. Others are wrapped up in their own lives that they just don't care.

A lot of homeless are not going to be in the SW part of the Cape, hanging out near Paeseo, or any richy areas because its easy to push them away - not to be seen / "ruin the landscape" for others. They will be living in the "ghetto".

No matter how close our shoe size is to another's life experience - we cannot walk in another's shoes, but I find it heavyhearted that people's actions are that they are to someone that 1. they do not know and 2 cannot even defend themselves by telling their own story.

I don't care why that couple was sleeping where they were sleeping...they were in the ghetto. Good upstanding citizens do not sleep on the ground, in the ghetto. It's safe to assume they were either homeless, druggies or runaways.

I don't care why they were there, I answered the question asked "What do you think I saw?" Can't help that you dont like the answer.

Trust me, I've heard enough of the bull**** stories to last me a lifetime...it's always someone else fault...it's never the drug, the drink, the gambling, the addtiction....it's always someone else's fault...I dont feel sorry for anyone who refuses to accept personal responsibility in their life.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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There was town close by to where I own a few properties in Connecticut that did this very thing, but it was the early 90's, not the 60's or 70's. They shut down a state run mental hospital as part of budget cuts. The really, really sick people were transferred, but the ones with no family and no money who weren't in to bad of shape were simply released on the streets. It was almost 1500 patients from my understanding and that town went from upper class to trash in less than 5 years. Now you couldn't pay me enough to even drive through some of those areas at night. It's really amazing what "budget cuts" can do, in the long run it costs through the nose for many of them.
The problem is the way budgets are made. The people who do not have an influential lobby behind them get the cuts. There is plenty of money to go around, it is not always allocated properly.
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