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Old 08-05-2008, 12:09 PM
 
Location: where my heart is
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I agree, a State (Florida) can not sustain it self for long depending on only tourism and the money that people bring from other states. There is no diversification to the Florida economy. What it has caused is extremely low wages, skyrocketing property taxes and home values making Florida unattractive to many, and a declining educational system. Florida does not have any plans in place to attract any major companies, and most of the ones that do open offices in Florida do so in the form of Low-Wage call centers.
is LOW WAGE. Florida is not going to attract experienced, highly skilled and educated workers unless they are willing to pay a competitive wage in comparison to other states. These major companies know this. Florida simply does not have the large numbers of people currently living here with those requirements. These companies would have to import their own "talent". If they cannot make it worth their while to move, then they won't. Sunshine and beaches will not compensate for cold hard cash to meet their living standards of where they are coming from. You cannot expect to pay a high tech person, who made say $80,000 up North, a $40,000 salary in Florida. The cost of living here is not THAT cheap; not even counting all the intangible issues involved with such a move.
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Old 08-05-2008, 03:12 PM
 
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is LOW WAGE. Florida is not going to attract experienced, highly skilled and educated workers unless they are willing to pay a competitive wage in comparison to other states. These major companies know this. Florida simply does not have the large numbers of people currently living here with those requirements. These companies would have to import their own "talent". If they cannot make it worth their while to move, then they won't. Sunshine and beaches will not compensate for cold hard cash to meet their living standards of where they are coming from. You cannot expect to pay a high tech person, who made say $80,000 up North, a $40,000 salary in Florida. The cost of living here is not THAT cheap; not even counting all the intangible issues involved with such a move.
I don't understand your logic. There are highly skilled and educated workers here in Florida. I've got news for you, the cost of things did not change due to the local educated employee's; it was the imported northern worker who was not educated enough to realize a 1200 sq.ft. home should not cost a half million dollars! Has it ever occcured to you the snowbirds that come here in the winter months recieve medical care, legal advice, surgical procedures, etc.. Who do you think is providing these services all those years? As a holder of a degree, (from a southern university) living on waterfront property, and financially comfortable (even though I've worked exclusively in Florida) I find your conclusions uneducated and bordering on insulting.
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:22 PM
 
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I don't understand your logic. There are highly skilled and educated workers here in Florida. I've got news for you, the cost of things did not change due to the local educated employee's; it was the imported northern worker who was not educated enough to realize a 1200 sq.ft. home should not cost a half million dollars! Has it ever occcured to you the snowbirds that come here in the winter months recieve medical care, legal advice, surgical procedures, etc.. Who do you think is providing these services all those years? As a holder of a degree, (from a southern university) living on waterfront property, and financially comfortable (even though I've worked exclusively in Florida) I find your conclusions uneducated and bordering on insulting.
You couldn't be more right!
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Amherst, MA
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Here we go again.......
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:47 PM
 
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MI is in much better shape than Florida, Florida has lost many more jobs.
While the latter may be true, that statement is just plain ignorant.
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Amherst, MA
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I have had pretty much enough of being down here now. The rediculous low amount of job opportunities is overwhelming. Since I got back here in February I have watched the News-Press/careebuilder job section get smaller and smaller, so much it only takes up ONE THIRD OF ONE PAGE!!!! 3-5 years ago it was 3-4 PAGES. Recession is everywhere, but here it is too far obvious. I gave up months ago, and just stuck with my stepfathers restaurant, which is dying a slow death too thanks to the economy... I am so looking forward to going back up north, AND not blindly, I see the jobs up there when I look in the local papers. I have a good chance there, where here there is slim to none...
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:54 AM
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Location: North Central Florida
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I have had pretty much enough of being down here now....


Amen, brother!
I spent some time perusing the MI section of the C-D forums last night. The same level of general despair seems to permeate many of the posts there.
I thought it was particularly interesting that the same exodus is occuring there, as here. People leaving in search of greener pastures. Equally interesting that many Floridians are going there, and many there are coming here. Maybe everyone in the country just needs a change of scenery? Somehow I dont think thats the problem. Who ya gonna vote for? doesnt matter, it will get worse.....

There are many things happening on a global scale, that many of us ignore, because we're so wrapped up in our own(personal, as well as, nationwide) collapsing economy. What do you think will happen to ... whats left of the economy ... The price of fuel ... The cost of groceries ... when Isreal attacks Iran, likely to happen in calendar year 2009? If there were to be a successful terror attack on our soil again? When the general population begins to realize just what shape our financial institutions are really in, again, disclosure coming in 2009. The house of cards we're living in, is already crumbling, one more good hit from any direction, and......

As far as leaving Florida, I feel the walls closing in. Because of the above, and probably some things not even thought of, the window of opportunity, for me, at least (and I'm sure a vast number of others)may close soon.

Am I being alarmist? yeah, probably a good description. But how much can you dispute any of it? I'm just sitting in my own little watchtower, letting 'yall know what I've noticed on the horizon. It's up to you to prepare yourselves.....

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Old 08-06-2008, 11:15 AM
 
Location: where my heart is
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I don't understand your logic. There are highly skilled and educated workers here in Florida. I've got news for you, the cost of things did not change due to the local educated employee's; it was the imported northern worker who was not educated enough to realize a 1200 sq.ft. home should not cost a half million dollars! Has it ever occcured to you the snowbirds that come here in the winter months recieve medical care, legal advice, surgical procedures, etc.. Who do you think is providing these services all those years? As a holder of a degree, (from a southern university) living on waterfront property, and financially comfortable (even though I've worked exclusively in Florida) I find your conclusions uneducated and bordering on insulting.
software firm that my husband works for here in Florida. ALL the technical staff are from other states. Only TWO of the sales staff are from Florida. Even the receptionist and office manager are from other states. All these people were born and raised someplace else.

The company doesn't even advertise locally. Why???????? The majority of these people were recruited while they were still living in other states and their expenses paid to move here. Once again, why?????? They cannot find employees in the entire state of Florida?????? You don't think it would be hell of a lot cheaper to not pay relocation expenses, plus out of state (more $s) salaries? What do YOU think is their reasoning? Sometimes you just need to read between the lines.
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Old 08-06-2008, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Stanwood, Washington
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Folks, this is the economic cycle. Now is the time to survive unless you're in a government job. Improve your income by moving or changing your lifestyle. You cannot just do nothing.
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Old 08-06-2008, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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There are some great points being made however please refrain from name calling and getting too personal with your responses or this thread will have to be closed. Thank you.
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