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Old 08-06-2008, 01:07 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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I'm not taking sides here, just rambling with some observations.....


Firemed- While there are many "southern educated" and successful folks out there, many of them had the drive, and desire, to become so, so that they could head north. Where there was more, and higher paying employment opportunities. A simple reason for that , is that was where the bulk of the population was, and thats where the unions were. Look back 15 to 30 years ago, when these people were getting their education, and consider what was in Florida, especially south of Tampa.

The "imported northern worker", especially those that came in last 6-8 years, landed in the middle of a Boomtown, the likes of which they had never seen up north before. And, landed with no real concept of what it is "really" like here. They found jobs, houses being built, business opening, and thriving, and most important....cheap, easy $$$$ to be loaned to them so they could have their piece of the pie.

You need to KNOW, that many of them came here after selling their homes up north for 75% to 100% MORE than they could replace it for here. Thats why that "half million dollar 1200 sq ft ranch" really did look like a bargain to them. And that WAS a HUGE part of what drew in the masses here.

TANaples- All those reasons (and likely more) is why the "higher paid" northern workers came here, and were willing to make less in wages. The cost of living WAS comparatively cheaper, when you flowed it all out on a spread sheet.

It wasnt until '05, after the hurricanes, that the insurance rates skyrocketed, along with the taxes, due to the hyper inflating real estate values. Suddenly, people found that their T&I portion of their monthly payment was almost equal to the P&I portion, but their wages stayed the same. Thats when the bloom came off the rose.

I've been looking at posts from all over lately. In the forums from up north, you see people blaming the unions for destroying businesses, causing loss of jobs, and driving people out of the state. Down here, it's about the businesses not paying a wage satisfactory to sustain a way of life, and driving people out of the state....

So, in a way, I guess you're both right, and you're both wrong....It's a catch 22.

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Old 08-06-2008, 03:07 PM
 
Location: where my heart is
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Default yes, you are right

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Folks, this is the economic cycle. Now is the time to survive unless you're in a government job. Improve your income by moving or changing your lifestyle. You cannot just do nothing.
they do come in cycles. However, this is the worst I have exprienced in my adult life. The late 70s was bad, but this time it is worse. I can remember people back then just walking away from their homes and so many boarded up houses. The gas was scarce (odd/even fillups), but not high which didn't bring all other prices up. I don't remember banks failing back then either. Yes, it's different this time. It isn't just one part of the economy. This time it's a spiralling effect more than before.

Some areas of the country were/are more affected than others in these recessions. Florida is just one state where it is worse than others.
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Old 08-07-2008, 07:56 PM
 
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Default plenty of jobs starting tomorrow

It aint all that bad for employment.

56 county jobs just opened up! If you're lazy and rude, the job's yours.

Read: 56 County Workers Arrested in Drug Scam - AOL News
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:25 PM
 
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It aint all that bad for employment.

56 county jobs just opened up! If you're lazy and rude, the job's yours.

Read: 56 County Workers Arrested in Drug Scam - AOL News
lol you're right on the money there.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Fort Myers Fl
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It aint all that bad for employment.

56 county jobs just opened up! If you're lazy and rude, the job's yours.

Read: 56 County Workers Arrested in Drug Scam - AOL News
Miami. The land of oppurtunity!
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:51 PM
 
Location: North Port
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Being a Remodeling Contractor, I am definetely feeling it. But I have lived here since I have been a young boy and we have seen these downturns before. This one is stinging a little more though. But the difference between Fl and Mi economies and situations they are in is Snow Vs. Sun. People will still move here. We are in a correction of the market. Financial institutes where handing loans out like the where candy. We had a large increase in people moving to the area due to the hurricane to make quick money. Our area cannot support that load of labor. The next step we will see is slow consistant growth. We have been here before.

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Old 08-12-2008, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Land of Free Johnson-Weld-2016
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It aint all that bad for employment.

56 county jobs just opened up! If you're lazy and rude, the job's yours.

Read: 56 County Workers Arrested in Drug Scam - AOL News
hee hee hee
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Old 08-21-2008, 01:52 AM
 
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Florida has been in a recession for a long time. Look at all the glut of homes, no jobs, low pay, crime, etc. Real estate will continue on a downward slide for many years. Florida does not have qualify of life unless you are wealthy.
Amen.

But very true in other sunbelt locations of any merit, for the most part.
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