07-13-2009, 10:55 AM
Location: The Conterminous United States
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It's just not me that feels this way. All the people on these threads, The New York Times and me, we are all wrong?
What you told me, all that time ago, was that I was doing it all wrong, and you, TedTAce, were going to take Knoxville by storm because you were so much smarter than I. Sound familiar?
You know enough about Florida to know that what you see on the surface may not be what it appears. You think you are in a nice neighborhood, and you could be lucky and you are, but I doubt it. But what about all the people around your neighborhood? When they want to go rob someone there's a good chance they are coming to visit you or your neighbor.
All the best to you.
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TedTAce
Oh Hik, you do make speeches.
I (for the record) do NOT hate Knoxville. If it was near my family, Florida, and the beach, I'd live in this apartment for the rest of my days. The people up here are extremely nice, and I feel VERY VERY safe.
The wife has seen the new house(adores it), and we are bothered by the crime stats there, not to mention there is a convicted sex offender a couple blocks over.
The problem is statistically speaking, it's about the same as living in Orlando, or many other Florida cities. But the big deal is that it's as close to Miami without being there and considering the real estate bargain, it's a no brainer for moving back to Fl.
Nope, I do not plan on selling the house ANY time soon. I don't think I'll EVER be able to make a profit on it. That's not the point though. This is my home, this is where I will die of old age if I can help it.
I do have to say Hik is not wrong about many things, but sometimes her opinion influences the difference between what's wrong for her and a lot of people, and what's right for some.
Sure it took me a long time to get an IT job up here, but I did. Sure it didn't last, but it helped me to adapt and choose another career that I deeply love and will be able to use to get a job anywhere (LPN). I will always be thankful to this town for enabling me to take the time out of my life and get a better career. Moving up here for the reasons I wanted to didn't work out. The result however, is that I have made myself a much better person for coming here despite Hik's advice at the time I last asked.
07-13-2009, 02:09 PM
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It's just not me that feels this way. All the people on these threads, The New York Times and me, we are all wrong?
What you told me, all that time ago, was that I was doing it all wrong, and you, TedTAce, were going to take Knoxville by storm because you were so much smarter than I. Sound familiar?
You know enough about Florida to know that what you see on the surface may not be what it appears. You think you are in a nice neighborhood, and you could be lucky and you are, but I doubt it. But what about all the people around your neighborhood? When they want to go rob someone there's a good chance they are coming to visit you or your neighbor.
All the best to you.
I never said I was going to take Knoxville "by storm". I said I was going to be able to come up here and get a job. I did come up here and get a job (actually two in IT), so I was right. Did this place work out the way I intended when I moved up here? Nope, but the reality is it worked a LOT better. If this place had kept me in the IT field, I'd never have the ability to return to Florida, and I would have lived the rest of my life selling what was left of my soul; helping out morons with problems that didn't mean anything to the world at large.
Now I have a chance to make a GENUINE difference in someone's life, AND live in a place near my family and the ocean. If that's me being wrong, I'm happily wrong.
By the way.. the NYT Article is two months old.. now I'm not saying that it's wrong. AT ALL. As a matter of fact a lot of the concerns it raises are still VERY present. But do you know how large Lehigh Acres is? Did you know it's bigger then Knoxville? Let's think about that, there are some great areas in Knoxville, like West Hills, and Fountain city, then there are some crudholes like E. Knox. Would you rule out living in West hills just because E. Knox is crime ridden? I didn't think so or you'd be living in Clinton.. oh wait.
So yeah, I only spent a few days, but if you'd do the same, you'd find what I did. there are neighborhoods that are obviously distressed, and there are neighborhoods that are thriving despite what is happening around them. Considering you haven't even BEEN there in the last few years (at least) it's amazing you are so convinced that moving there is wrong.
LA is NOT perfect, it's below average, but it will meet the needs of myself and my family, just like Knoxville did. I'm not saying YOU should move there, I'm not saying it's a place fore anyone but myself for sure. However, unlike you, I'm not telling people to avoid it when I have not been there; like you do.
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08-09-2009, 10:13 AM
Location: West Michigan
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[SIZE=3]The negative tone of this blog is a bit too much for me to let go without comment. I recently purchased a home in Lehigh Acres as a winter retreat (I am quickly growing my snowbird wings). I did a lot of research on several areas in Florida including several visits over the past three years – and yes I looked at crime data, foreclosure rates, blogs, chamber of commerce plans, taxes, insurance rates, etc. I also have relatives who have lived in Naples long before it became popular and expensive. I bought in LA because of affordability and geographic location (warm, high, and dry by Florida standards). Many areas of LA are distressed by the housing crash and poor development planning. However, they will improve once the economy gets going and the northern baby boomers get tired of winter and look south for an ice free place to live. For those looking for a home in the Cape Coral/LA, I recommend looking in to areas with good neighbors – since most of the vandalism problems are in low density areas with no neighborhood watches. [/SIZE]
08-09-2009, 12:20 PM
Location: Central Fl
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Congrats Bob & Deb, and welcome to the forum.
You have done your research, and made a choice, and you have no one to please but yourselves.
we also did something similar, and despite those who cautioned otherwise, we are pleased with our decision.
Frank
08-09-2009, 03:27 PM
Location: The Conterminous United States
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Lehigh Acres and where Frank moved to, are very far apart, and not just geographically. His area is well-established. Although I first fretted over his purchase timing, in the end he was right and I was wrong. He's making money renting his place.
Lehigh Acres is a gamble. It very well could be a big winner, though. I'm glad you have good neighbors, Bob and Deb.
In any event, congratulations on your purchase. I sincerely hope you prove me wrong.
I am just going to add that city-data is here for people to get feedback on relocation research.
Our volunteer members are here to help people. Period. We're not here to hurt anyone. I think it is unfortunate that people come on looking for positive feedback and then become upset. That's not what we are here for and we are only offering constructive criticism. There are so many people on here, that spends hours and hours helping.
I, personally, want everyone to be well. I've made so many mistakes in my life and I truly do not want anyone else to do so.
08-09-2009, 07:18 PM
Location: Central Fl
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Lehigh Acres and where Frank moved to, are very far apart, and not just geographically. His area is well-established. Although I first fretted over his purchase timing, in the end he was right and I was wrong. He's making money renting his place.
Lehigh Acres is a gamble. It very well could be a big winner, though. I'm glad you have good neighbors, Bob and Deb.
In any event, congratulations on your purchase. I sincerely hope you prove me wrong.
I am just going to add that city-data is here for people to get feedback on relocation research.
Our volunteer members are here to help people. Period. We're not here to hurt anyone. I think it is unfortunate that people come on looking for positive feedback and then become upset. That's not what we are here for and we are only offering constructive criticism. There are so many people on here, that spends hours and hours helping.
I, personally, want everyone to be well. I've made so many mistakes in my life and I truly do not want anyone else to do so.
Very nice sum up of the purpose here. Indeed, most here just want to be helpful. The good book even says to "count the cost" before building or buying a new place, and that there is "wisdom in a multitude of counselors".
Is is nice though to read the experiences of others knowledgeable in the areas one is considering.
Frank.
08-10-2009, 06:13 AM
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People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)