07-22-2009, 03:41 PM
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But like 121804 said, "This is a SW Florida forum" All this discussion has shown it's not just SW Florida schools, it's everywhere in the US! Look at the bright side you could live in South Carolina, Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, East St. Louis, Brookyn all horrible school districts!!! If you are a good parent and teach your children well (Crosby Stills & Nash) they will be successful no matter what school they go to. If not, then you will reap what you sow.
But you understand that not all parents are equipped to raise children? And that while it is very easy to say "if you are a good parent" that does not pertain to every parent?
Academic success is one thing. Emotional and social success is another. And taking the risk of sending your child to a subpar school is just that...a risk. For you it paid off; for others, not so. But this is not a perfect world.
Ahh, nkhev, now I know where I've seen those run on sentences before
07-22-2009, 05:09 PM
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But you understand that not all parents are equipped to raise children? And that while it is very easy to say "if you are a good parent" that does not pertain to every parent?
Academic success is one thing. Emotional and social success is another. And taking the risk of sending your child to a subpar school is just that...a risk. For you it paid off; for others, not so. But this is not a perfect world.
Ahh, nkhev, now I know where I've seen those run on sentences before
Yes, you totally correct!! But as I've been saying all along, It's NOT just SW Florida!! It happens all over the United States including Here in Wisconsin! wether it's schools or the job market.
So If I, or anyone else want to buy a waterfront property in Port Charlotte Florida to escape the horror of winter, who are you to tell us how bad it is? you keep saying we all (northerners) do not know what it's like to live there. Thats true! but YOU have no idea what it's like to live up here Nov-April!! Tennesse doesn't count! nither does the East coast!
07-22-2009, 05:23 PM
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Yes, you totally correct!! But as I've been saying all along, It's NOT just SW Florida!! It happens all over the United States including Here in Wisconsin! wether it's schools or the job market.
Yes I do.
I was born & raised in northern Ohio.
We are currently back to OH from SWFL.
Our furnace broke this winter & it was -24 degrees outside.
We were also in the military & have lived all throughout the country and world.
And it's not everywhere. Many places, yes, but not everywhere. There are several areas of this country, even in FL, with warm weather with more better education systems and not a spiralling out of control economy that is intensified due to the nature of the beast taking place in SWFL.
Warm weather does not trump the education of my children. Why would I choose to send my child to a school system that is beyond lack luster if I can do things in my power not to?
There are issues in SWFL that DO NOT pertain to the rest of the country. And those issues effect the makeup of the area.
Again, I am not saying "Don't move there". What I am saying is that there are problems that effect SWFLoridians that do not effect many others in the country. The sun doesn't take away the problems.
Also, how does Maine, VT, or NH "not count"?
You are retiring. You don't have anything to be worried about. You probably got a home on the cheap and have money saved for a boat & can go about your days at your own leisure when you are down there. And I am sure you worked for it. But that is not the case for everyone. And for those whose life will be no different albeit weather....the best advice is "buyer beware"...
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07-22-2009, 05:39 PM
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Yes, you totally correct!! But as I've been saying all along, It's NOT just SW Florida!! It happens all over the United States including Here in Wisconsin! wether it's schools or the job market.
Yes, there are bad schools all over the country. There also good schools. I choose to do my best as a parent and send her to a good school. It may not work out, but darn it all, I am going to give her the best that I can, which means I am not sending her to Lee County schools.
Why you are so worried about this is beyond me. You are not going down there with kids. Everything will be fine for you because I think you are retiring. You don't have to even find a job.
I have NEVER told someone not to retire to swFlorida. I did, a few years ago, tell them that it was too expensive. Now, it is worth it.
07-22-2009, 05:39 PM
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Yes, you totally correct!! But as I've been saying all along, It's NOT just SW Florida!! It happens all over the United States including Here in Wisconsin! wether it's schools or the job market.
I have to agree with Mr. Cool!
(by the way, one hubby is enough, but thanks for the offer!
) I know this is a Florida forum, but every negative in Florida is no different than the negatives up north. Minus the hurricanes, but we have devastating nor'easter in winter. How about being trapped in your home, no electric, no heat or available way to cook with 20-40 inches of snow and layer upon layer of ice. Having to work all day, commute 2 1/2 hrs each way, then shovel out your driveway for the 43rd time...Schools are bad everywhere ( you think SWF has non-english speaking students, the north is no different), job's are scarce, economy is poor, utilities increasing, people losing homes. They are not just SWF issues.
We all have our painful memories of where we live.
I just can't wait to get to Florida. Find a piece of my Dad's paradise and enjoy what time I have let on this planet.
07-22-2009, 05:40 PM
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07-22-2009, 06:27 PM
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But you understand that not all parents are equipped to raise children? And that while it is very easy to say "if you are a good parent" that does not pertain to every parent?
Academic success is one thing. Emotional and social success is another. And taking the risk of sending your child to a subpar school is just that...a risk. For you it paid off; for others, not so. But this is not a perfect world.
Ahh, nkhev, now I know where I've seen those run on sentences before
From experience working with homeschooled people, I'd have to say that is a HUGE social risk. Most have had no social skills whatsoever and were still tied to the "cord" at 25 yrs of age.
07-22-2009, 09:01 PM
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I know a lot of members on this forum are people who have lived in the past or plan to live in the future. I went out to dinner tonight with my nextdoor neighbor and his wife and kids and this is their take on Living here. and yesterday I asked the same from the boat captain and his 17 yr old son N for neighbor C for captian
07-22-2009, 09:19 PM
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You may not be qualified to live in Swfl if you apply 30 spf sunscreen and still sunburn as red as a cooked maine Lobster.... spent about 4 hrs at bowman beach on sanibel Water was beautiful , not as many shells as I usually see there . Put on sunscreen and reapplied every time I came out of the water ( which wasn't often ) my back is torched.
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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) I know this is a Florida forum, but every negative in Florida is no different than the negatives up north. Minus the hurricanes, but we have devastating nor'easter in winter. How about being trapped in your home, no electric, no heat or available way to cook with 20-40 inches of snow and layer upon layer of ice. Having to work all day, commute 2 1/2 hrs each way, then shovel out your driveway for the 43rd time...Schools are bad everywhere ( you think SWF has non-english speaking students, the north is no different), job's are scarce, economy is poor, utilities increasing, people losing homes. They are not just SWF issues. 
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