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Old 08-22-2007, 08:07 AM
 
Location: TX
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I heard about this on the radio this morning and Googled it to find an article. What do you guys and gals think of this? I wish it was a more uniform (read: complete) smoking ban, like what NJ and NYC have. However, a partial smoking ban is better than no smoking ban. : \

[quote]Fort Worth OKs partial smoking ban (broken link)

By MIKE LEE
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

FORT WORTH -- Smoking will be completely banned in restaurants beginning in January. But the new ordinance approved Tuesday by the City Council still allows smoking in bars and bingo halls.

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Old 08-22-2007, 08:48 AM
 
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I think it's fantastic. You have to start somewhere, and really I don't care if there is smoking in bars- at least it isn't someplace my kids will be exposed to the smoke. I am glad to live in an area that is trying to take action to better the community and air quality for it's residents.
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Old 08-22-2007, 09:27 AM
 
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I'm for it! I used to smoke and quit over 6 years ago! I can't even believe I used to smoke! It's disgusting. My husband still smokes (but only outside) and he is for this ban too. We are from California and they already have a smoking ban so we are used to it. I was more surprised that Fort Worth hasn't past this ban long ago.
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Old 08-22-2007, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Actually as a previous smoker and ex-Californian, I think it is pretty terrible. I am a big market forces person. If it needs to be banned, then ban it all the way...make it illegal, but then you can't have that tax money.

If you don't like smoking, don't patronize that establishment.

There was a guy on the tv last night with a WAD of chew in his mouth saying that he was upset that it wasn't enough. My thought is when they start banning one thing, it will only be a matter before they start banning other things...are transfats on the way? They did that in NYC...so hey...why not here??

I came to Texas because I always thought that Texans stood up for freedom and a live and let live attitude for things that are legal. You won't really hear an uproar until someone decides that they want to ban alcohol. Its legal, kills millions of people, but there is a lot bigger constituency that would actually speak out/flip out if there was talk of prohibition.

Economist Walter Williams states it as "cooking a frog...you can't put a frog in a hot pot or it will jump out, you put it in the pot then slowly turn up the temperature and before the frog knows it he is cooked". If you aren't watching closely enough our frog will be cooked .
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Old 08-22-2007, 10:32 AM
 
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Guingirl, I understand your apprehension. I saw a very similar discussion in early 2006 when NJ was contemplating a smoking ban. It was highly controversial to a minority of the population. In fact, one radio talk show host organized the "100 Stripper March" to the state capital in Trenton, NJ. It fell on deaf ears and the smoking ban was passed and took effect in April 2006 - one month before I happened to move from NJ to TX.

While I'm normally anti Big Brother and have some amount of paranoia toward the gov.'t, in this case, I can't stand smoke and am willing to "sacrifice" on my point of view on Big Bro. Sure, one can say let market forces dictate which establishments allow smoking and which don't, and I understand that argument. However, from a selfish PoV, I want to go to bars and clubs w/o having my lungs clogged up and my clothes stinking.

I just wish it was a more complete ban and that smoking was only allowed outdoors and in cigar lounges. Perhaps that will come later on. Has there been any motion from the state capital to make it a statewide ban, like NJ, CA, and probably many other states have it? Gov. Rick Perry, are you listening?
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:00 PM
 
Location: So. Dak.
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I agree with Guinn. I'm a smoker (don't smoke much for the past 8 years, but I still do). They've made it so smokers are afraid to speak up anymore because they're shunned. They say that smoking causes so many diseases and smokers have so many colds, pnuemonia, etc. What do they expect when they make smokers stand outside in corners year round? Of course, cold weather won't give you a cold, but consider the "chill" factor that involves your body fighting to stay warm OR reverse in the heat. You're then more vulnerable to viruses.

And as far as suggestions in many areas and from a lot of people about banning smoking outside? It's ridiculous.

It seems we all have our vice. Maybe someone is an overeater or gorges themselves on Big Macs. It's not healthy. Should we ban those things? How about alcohol? Statistically, alcohol kills many more people a year then smoking does. Innocent victims of alcohol-related accidents are having their rights infringed on, too. Should we ban booze? Should we ban the unhealthy foods?

Unfortunately, non-smokers will see this as a good thing. Can't wait to see how they feel when they lose their rights to something they enjoy.
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Old 08-23-2007, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Do people who smoke have any concept of how they affect the lives of others?

I'm not sure they do for the most part. When my step daughter goes to her smoking father's house for a visit she always comes back home REAKING of that smell. We don't even bring her suitcase in the house. We dump all her clothes out in the garage and let her suitcase air out. Now that's the air that she was breathing the whole time she was visiting. It sux.

My Dad smokes. He doesn't give two s&*ts about who it may bother either....and he'll tell you that. It's ok....it'll be the death of him.

I say the bans are good. It means that we don't have to go to places and breath dirty air created by those who are less considerate.
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:19 AM
 
Location: TX
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Do people who smoke have any concept of how they affect the lives of others?

I'm not sure they do for the most part. When my step daughter goes to her smoking father's house for a visit she always comes back home REAKING of that smell. We don't even bring her suitcase in the house. We dump all her clothes out in the garage and let her suitcase air out. Now that's the air that she was breathing the whole time she was visiting. It sux.

My Dad smokes. He doesn't give two s&*ts about who it may bother either....and he'll tell you that. It's ok....it'll be the death of him.

I say the bans are good. It means that we don't have to go to places and breath dirty air created by those who are less considerate.
I agree with you!

I don't think Jammie's analogies to eating fatty food and drinking alcohol is relevant. When one eats unhealthy food, he* is only hurting himself. When one responsibly drinks alcohol he's not hurting anyone. If one irresponsibly drinks alcohol, then yes, he is hurting others. But there's already a law about irresponsible alcohol consumption (e.g. DUI, public drunkenness, etc.). However, when someone smokes a cigarette, it affects everyone around him.

* Change "he" to "she", "him" to "her", and "himself" to "herself" for the female example.
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Well for the most part every smoker I have known is very aware of what they are doing and don't put it on others. Im sorry that you know some one so callous, but I will be that it just isn't smoking either.

The next big thing is to outlaw parents that have visitation to not smoke because it could "harm" the children. So maybe court is an option for you.
It could be that he does it just to tick you off which is not really the topic of this post.

My point is becareful what you wish for because it may have unintended consequences that will effect you negatively in the future.

It doesn't effect me, I just don't think that the government has a right to tell individual businesses what they can or can't do in regards to something that is legal.
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:33 PM
 
Location: TX
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I understand your concern, 'girl. I remember hearing the same things in NJ early last year when their anti-smoking ban was being written up and eventually passed. The thing that ruffled feathers in that particular ban was that the Atlantic City casinos did not have to outlaw cigarettes, but bars, clubs, restaurants, etc. had to.

I'm hoping citizens are diligent to know if they're US Constitution rights are being taken away. I don't see the cigarette ban as such; after all, people can still smoke in their cars and homes as much as they want.
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