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Old 04-22-2008, 05:28 PM
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If anyone has any information about this teacher job fair, I would greatly appreciate it. My husband and I are looking to move to the DFW area (northern suburbs preferred). We're both teachers with four years of experience. He is a middle school reading/LA teacher and I have taught MS and HS English. What is the hiring time frame out there? How difficult is it to find a position that is not in FWISD or Dallas ISD? Any advice or helpful information? TIA!
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:59 PM
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That job fair is geared to all districts in North Central Texas specifically, but I believe it may be open to all Texas districts. It would be a great thing to check out as there are still many hiring, however be aware that many of the larger school districts have their own job fairs and many of them have already occurred, or will have before that one.

I have a daughter who is graduating in May from the University of Texas in Austin and will be teaching high school math, something very high in demand here. She has already attended a state wide job fair on campus and has attended two individual job fairs as well. She's being courted by more than one district and has what will probably be her final interview this next week with her preferred district. She has fellow graduates who already have signed contracts pending graduation.

So, there are jobs being offered at this moment, but there will still more offered from now until the school year starts again.
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Old 04-23-2008, 09:44 AM
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frankly that hiring fair is similar to what is called a "cattle call" for auditions
I am retired English teacher from ISD in the area you are thinking of and have two children who were teachers in this area--one in MS English and one in elementary grades--she is now teaching in Sarasota Co in FL
they have both been through hiring fairs like that---
few people will actually get a sitdown==face2face interview with a hiring person from an ISD--most of those slots are probably booked since the fair was advertised more than a month ago and there are more people wanting jobs than jobs available or people to meet with them---

Probably your know this already but English teachers usually find it difficult to get jobs vs math and science or special catagories like special ed...unless they are willing to coach a sport or do something like the newspaper or hs annual--most English teachers are female and tend to stay if they like their schools unlike males who either move up into admin or leave for better paying jobs in business...there is less turnover than in other areas like social studies where many coaches tend to be located and they move related to their sports field or into admin---

if you run a search here for teaching you will get lots of hits
I posted info about hiring in HEB ISD which pays well a couple of weeks ago and there are links to other teacher job sites as well

HEB ISD job postings

I heard from a friend of mine that the principal at Hurst Jr High is retiring this year which is a shame--she was excellent teacher and pricipal who made many positive changes to that school during the few years she was principal--so hopefully someone as good as she will get the job

this is the time of year when there are known openings since many teachers turn in their retirement or fail to sign their contracts--princpals are usually the ones who actually do most of the hiring even if personnel people are doing the searches--they like to have their job slots filled before June--so they will be trying NOT to hire during the summer if they can avoid it---this is from the hiring page of Eagle Mt Saginaw ISD telling they want all their apps in by March 10--so they may have candidates lined up for their known openings...

BUT some jobs will also need to be filled right at the start of school because some teachers will resign late or maybe get moved to other jobs at the last minute

most ISDs have their budget sessions during the summer and they sometimes will create new classes then but usually they know NOW if they are funding or have numbers that REQUIRE adding a class--
Keller and Birdville and Northwest ISDs have added numbers--and have building programs

someone posted that Eagle Mt. Saginaw district NW of FTW is due for some large expansion so that might be another place to look...Frisco N of Dallas is also a growing district--some of the smaller towns around Denton like Proper and Argyle have also been adding numbers but maybe not building that many new schools

insurance in TX is not cheap for teachers--the law regarding teacher pension and SS might be different from your current state--and it is complicated and (IMO)unfair to teachers whose spouses work and will receive under SS pension rules--because the law does not treat all private penions the same...

if you and your husband plans to remain in education that may not affect you...
my daughter had reciprocity when she went to FL but she had to take the classes to upgrade for G/T certification since she is teaching at a G/T school and she took the test for k-6 certification since hers in TX was preK-3 certification---
she already had her ESL certification which ALL TX teachers are required to have...
SOME teachers will lose their contracts because they have not passed that certification but it is very unlikely that many of them will be in quality districts---

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Old 04-25-2008, 07:59 PM
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Thanks for the info. I have a meeting with a school in Denton, so that's good. My husband got a response from a school in Birdville, so I hope that becomes a true interview (not just a "we liked your resume" kind of thing).

I also recently added Special Ed K-12 to my current state certificate. I can have that transferred over to Texas over the summer. Is that an area that would give me an edge? I'd prefer to work with the learning disabled kids rather than the severely handicapped (I don't have that kind of experience) or the behavioral cases. Not that there isn't a mix there, but LD classes for a content area would be my preference if I had to move to Sped. Obviously, I'd prefer regular ed, but I have the knowledge (not necessarily any experience as I've always taught reg ed) to do LD if I needed to get my foot in the door.

Do the schools know yet which positions they'll have open for next year? I realize they must know who they're reappointing, but do you all think the teachers who have been reappointed just haven't let on they might not come back? I know that's the case with me. There's no way I'd tell my current school I'm looking around. My position survived budget cuts here in FL, but my husband was not so lucky. He was a teacher on assignment at the district office. No grant funds=no grant-funded positions... and so he was cut.

When do the contracts/letters of intent need to be returned by current teachers? Which districts have a lot of growth and thus more openings (other than Keller, Birdville and Northwest)? I've applied to all three of those districts and I emailed the principals of target schools. Not much response there for me. Any other info would be much appreciated.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:47 PM
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It's really going to vary from district to district, however most will complete the majority of hiring needed by the end of June. Last minute hiring will take place in August, since many districts shut down for July.

Some schools already know of open positions and are likely hiring as soon as possible. (the music teacher at my 4th graders school put in for retirement back in December, but is working til the end of the year, so they may already have her replacement hired)

Others would already know whose contracts they are not continuing, but might not be able to hire for those positions just yet since they have to let that person know first. (My oldest daughter teaches 4th grade and is aware of a fellow teacher whose contract will not be renewed as it affects her position in the school as well, yet that teacher has not yet been informed)

My second daughter, who is the one currently on the job search, has had several interviews with offers extended informally, but cannot make a commitment until after she officially graduates in 3 weeks and has her certification test grades in hand as passed.

Some of her fellow classmates that graduated in December have signed contracts already.

So, it just depends entirely on which district and what's going on within it. One thing to consider though, is the people searching for jobs that are able to meet face to face will certainly be considered before anyone who has not been able to do that, so the sooner you can meet with the principals, the better.
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Old 04-26-2008, 08:28 PM
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yes--think it IS good that you have gotten ANY personal type of reply

having your Spec Ed for elem is a good deal--there are growing numbers of children who meet those requirements--but they are supposed to be mainstreamed as much as possible--most districts from what I hear have fewer and fewer contained classrooms for special education students--most of them are supposed to be testing on grade level for TAKS which is really a mistake for some students---

you would be more likely to have revolving students for one or two periods a day maybe...

you can check the links and see--some districts don't post any open positions and some districts post positions but sometimes their list is not really that current...even when people have SAID they are not coming back, legally the position is not open until a resignation letter has been received by the personnel office...
there is a deadline for the district sending out contracts for the next year and teachers to sign and return--I think in my district it was end of March--if you do sign your contract, you can still resign w/o prejudice up to like July 20th or something--don't know about now with the delayed start date---IF you don't return a signed contract, then that is a tacit resignation--

middle and high schools don't do pre-registration for the coming year but elementary schools do pre-registration for next year in early May in my district and I think most others--
in some school zones if people DON'T do that, and wait until the week before school to register their children (even if they were attending there last school year) they might wind up having to tranfer to different school for a certain grade level--and they are MAD when that happens too--
but I know of several instances at my local elementary where there were lot of summer move-ins in say one grade level who registered as soon as they moved in --when the late comers came to register the classes were full -- and it made no difference if they had children at two schools 10-15 min apart--their tough luck...
Schools are reluctant to fund a class say half-way and depend on getting enough students to fill it over the summer or after the year starts
--just like airlines don't want planes to fly unless they are at capacity---

sometimes at the beginning of the year there have been cases were people had to get a long term sub at the beginning of school for issues like sudden serious illness or maybe pregnancy complications--but there is no guarantee of a full time job after that long term is over...but sometimes it does lead to full time employment--just depends on if you still need a job--

it is much better to have interview with a principal than personnel but getting past personnel is usually the first hurdle--some districts won't talk to you until you have completed their on-line application which is really a screening mechanism--

it allows them to search for "HOT" words which supposedly tell them if you are into the same type of educational wave length that the district espouses--which is a crock--
what it really does is attempt to keep people from calling the personnel office and interrupting the secretaries who are on coffee break...
you probably think I have a poor opinion of presonnel people in the district offices--mostly I do--I think most districts have way too many people in headquarters and not enough people in jobs that deal directly with children who need help...I also think that there is a huge "old-boy" network that is in force in most districts and in many cases if you are not in a high demand field like math or science, you just get shuffled behind coaches, and neices and nephews of staff, and former students---

I hope you and your husband have good luck--
regarding BISD--
Birdville ISD announced in a news article this week that it is considering allowing students to transfer in w/o living in the district something it does not normally allow expect for children of staff who live out of district
by doing that that it can get the state's portion of tuition---that would help it because there were 400 fewer students enrolled last year than projected--the problem is that most of the students electing to do this might come from the lower socio-economic groups who are in neighborhing FTW ISD or HEB ISD and close enough to get to a Birdville school--

I don't think they really asked their teachers what they thought about that idea since I doubt there will be many students from higher scoring districts like Carroll or Grapevine-Colleyville that want to make that move

If you were teaching in Denton and Birdville you could consider living mid-way and both of your driving equidistant--hopefully if one of you were offered a job maybe personnel could find a place for the other....

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Old 04-27-2008, 08:24 AM
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That is all excellent information. Thank you for the PM too. I will check out the articles.

I hope this all works out. It's nerve-wracking to try and transfer certification, get a new place, rent our house here, move all our stuff to a new state.... I think it will be worth it in the end.

I've received replies from many principals (I think I emailed well over 100... something like 25 responded), but mostly they were "thanks for the info, but we don't have an English opening at this time." It's a tad discouraging. I have great qualifications, and I'm sure that if I found an opening and had an interview, I would get the job. But if there are no jobs...

My husband has a reading background, secondary reading. I'm trying to get him to add Sped K-12 to his current certificate. Then he'd be certified in English 4-8 and EC-4 Generalist with the Sped. I feel that would open more opportunities... We'll see I guess. Two more weeks until the job fair. I'm focusing on getting meeting times with a principal so when we go, we have a name and a time.

Thanks for the great replies!
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:37 AM
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there are openings for reading specialists--I did not know that about your husband thought he was straight English and for a guy that is unusual--even more to be reading certified--usually principals are eager to get male teachers into the building so frankly I think he stands a better chance that you

I would try to get the special needs certification as well

does your state share reciprocity with TX--my daughter's move to FL was facilitated by the two states' reciprocity but it is not the same for every teacher....

also if you have a portfolio or scrapbook to take to your interviews -- don't hold out much home for the hiring fair
frankly you need to be there 2-3 hours early to be at the front of the line--even if you have "appointments" to meet with ISD reps that often does not mean much because some people run oner their alloted time...
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:11 AM
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You are a font of knowledge. Thank you!

Yes, my husband has taught MS intensive reading for three years here (along with creative writing and video production), and this school year he has worked at the district office as a secondary intervention reading coach (visiting district schools and evaluating reading classes). He was paid by a grant and the grant is not being funded so they cut his position. He would have had tenure here in FL this year. NO matter. We both prefer to move to Texas and settle down there.

I have a meeting with a principal at the job fair, not just a district rep, so I hope that pans out. I am glad to hear that being a male, secondary reading teacher would help him out in Texas, too. That has been the case here in Florida. He is finished with his reading endorsement here, but I don't know that Texas will take that as a transfer credential. It's still good training to play up, though.

I have just finished my NBCT candidacy and I will have a masters in Instructional Tech this fall. I hope those two things will help out. I've been a district tech trainer for teachers, so I'm going to play that up as well. Anything I can get... I am certified in all core subjects in MS, but I would rather teach English (preferably HS). I wouldn't be as good with other subjects, despite the certification. And now I've added Sped K-12 and I also hold elem ed certification.

As for all the certification stuff... Texas will issue a one-year certificate in all the areas I'm certified in here in Florida, but then I'll have to take all the TX tests. That's no biggie. They don't have straight reciprocity, though. Texas has higher standards. It doesn't surprise me that your daughter had straight reciprocity with Florida. Even when they say there is reciprocity, the individual states are the ones that set the standards. Did your daughter have to take Florida's exams or did she just get a professional certificate? Florida is in the habit of certifying anyone with a pulse. Ho hum. It's really nasty here with the budget cuts and all. I can't wait to get out of here.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:12 AM
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she had to take the classes to get the G/T certification--that was a lot of hours of after school and Saturday classes and she did them all by the second year--FL gives you two years because of the # of hours so I thought she was really dilligent--of course some of it was overkill--but she met some of the other new teachers in her school (and area) which came in handy since she is working with two of them next year--

she just took the test for for the K-6 certification she needs to teach in 4th grade next year--she finished before anyone else in her test session--she did not think it ws that difficult--she really did not want to move up that far in the food chain--she really likes to teach the K-2 kids but since her school is only G/T kids, they only start with 2nd grade...

she was going to do her National Teachers board this next year instead of her masters because in FL the money is much better payout for that but now that she will be in new grade level will probably have to wait a year--teaching new curricula makes it difficult to get your scrapbook and videos together
Her husband works out of town all week as project manager for quality improvement company--so she has lots of empty time at night--I have told her she should work toward her AD MIN certificate because she has so many qualities that would really make her a good vice principal or principal but she does not like politics ==

she considered going into Speech Pathology when she first went to college and would have been great at that--every empathetic but also very structured--but her entry level course was taught by the dept chair who was a male and thought it was his duty to force out more females and boost more males into the profession--nothing she could do was good enough for him and she did not want to complain to the college dean--now I don't think she would stand for something like that--

TX has gone through budget cuts--and the grief that is going to come down when the standards that the state and fed gov are putting into place regarding the low socioeconomic kids and learning disabled are going to rock a lot of boats---
right now most ISDs in this part of TX have capped their tax rates--the only way they can finance capital spending is with new bond issues--and I don't understand exactly how that works when they have capped their tax rates--
the one thing in TX teachers' favor is that the retirement fund is controlled by the teachers assoc--not the legislature--which would love to get its hands on the funds in it to use to offset the state's budget problems
that must never happen--right now TX teachers have good pension and pretty good health benefits past medicare age--but it is expensive---

if you are hired please join a professional group and pay attention to what they say about what the legislature is doing--our legislature is lazy and stupid to great degree

frankly the best thing that happened in the past election was that a representative from Arlington that some people thought was the guru of education was NOT reelected--he had been giving grief to teachers/education system for the past 15 or so years because of what HE thought was wrong with education--of course the last time he ws in a classroom was when he was in high school or college---

there are many ISDs in this area that have a big staff of tech people---most districts in the DFW metroplex have made committment to technology and have pretty sophisticated systems--don't know of many districts that have white boards in EVERY classroom lik Sarasota co--and of course many systems are outdated as soon as they are installed--and many companies they use to install really don't know what they are doing...but they have their techno staff--so that might be something to consider

you and your husband are more than just teachers in one subject matter--you probably stand a pretty good chance of getting jobs--I just don't know if it would be in same districts...and some of your technology skills could translate into the real business world if push came to shove...
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