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Old 03-15-2020, 02:06 PM
 
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Wittgenstein's Ghost --

Lots of people that move here from out of state have the misconception they are going to move here and pay 200k, buy a McMansion and be in a fabulous school district because Texas is "cheap." That is NOT true anymore. It used to be a long time ago.

FWIW - I bought a brand new DR Horton house in Alexandra Meadows off Western Center 15 years ago. It used to be a very nice area back then and was quite rural at that time. That area has exploded and completely changed. The neighborhood even with an HOA turned to complete crap in less than 5 years after low income apartments were built down the street. During the Great Recession lots of folks from the Rust Belt like Detroit moved here and people displaced by Hurricane Katrina.

All the teachers fled Chisholm Ridge Elementary (which used to be rated exemplary) because of all the apartments that were built and the demographic changes occurred. Lots of kids with behavioral problems. My neighbors moved after their car was stolen out of their driveway.

The houses in Summerfields used to cost 40-60k less 15 years ago and honestly were the ghetto back then. Now those same homes are selling for 200-250k...lol. You could not pay me to live there again.

The hard truth is 200-250k ain't much anymore in DFW. Houses in east Fort Worth are selling for that.

OP wanted "safe and excellent schools". That is not going to at 200-250k in Dallas or Fort Worth.

OP - try Wyoming.
If someone asks for a McMansion for $200k, this is great advice. The OP didn't. In fact, the OP didn't ask for "excellent schools." He or she asked for good schools and low crime.

You can get good schools and low crime for $250k. I posted one a few posts up, and a quick visit to Realtor.com will reveal many more. It won't be new, and it won't be 3000 sq. ft.....but the OP didn't ask for that.

I have no doubt that cheap new builds fare poorly over time.

Again, many people tend to treat every poster as though they are asking for a brand new McMansion with a 10/10 school district for $200k even if they are actually just asking for a house that is suitable for a family with good schools for around $250k. Those are not the same things.
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Old 03-15-2020, 02:20 PM
 
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Pull up the Sex Offender Registry and Crime map listing on any house in the 200k range and chances are you wouldn't want to live there with little kids.

Texas is known for it's cheap builds and tract houses. That 's what drew everybody here before the recession. The builders wised up and now can get a Californian or East Coast transplant to pay cash for a 700k house in Walsh Ranch.

200-250k is bottom of the barrel in DFW and to pretend it's not is painting an inaccurate picture.

That "cheap new build" I bought 15 years ago is what's in OPs very limited price range today and 43% of students in that school district are classified as economically disadvantaged.

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Old 03-15-2020, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Grapevine, Texas
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There is ONE house in Grapevine for sale under $250k, and it’s in a neighborhood that is notorious for horrible foundation problems.

There are a few in Euless, all of which are under 1400 square feet, and most are 3/1 built in the 1960s. Oh, and a few mobile homes.
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Old 03-15-2020, 03:15 PM
 
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200-250k is bottom of the barrel in DFW and to pretend it's not is painting an inaccurate picture.

That "cheap new build" I bought 15 years ago is what's in OPs very limited price range today...lol
Correction: $200-250k is bottom of the barrel in safe areas with good schools. Bottom of the barrel in DFW is the $125k house in southeast Fort Worth or South Dallas.

That's sort of my point. This board is so skewed that many posters think a $250k 3/2 in Bedford is "bottom of the barrel" because it is only 1500 sq. ft. and was built in the 80s. That's not bottom of the barrel, and it's completely acceptable for a lot of posters.


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There is ONE house in Grapevine for sale under $250k, and it’s in a neighborhood that is notorious for horrible foundation problems.

There are a few in Euless, all of which are under 1400 square feet, and most are 3/1 built in the 1960s. Oh, and a few mobile homes.
That would be relevant if the OP insisted on being in Grapevine or Euless. There are quite a few houses in the HEB district that are north of 183 and are zoned to good schools. If you include pending listings, which you should for a potential new transplant who is able to act quickly moving forward, the number of those houses explodes.

Here's an active 3/2 in Bedford that is north of 183 and zoned to HEB schools....definitely doesn't look like a mobile home to me: https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...1_M70992-27165
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Old 03-15-2020, 03:27 PM
 
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DFW is ridiculously overpriced now. That house was probably 100k - 15 years ago. DFW is not a bargain anymore.

Seriously, an RN can get a job anywhere. Move somewhere that 250k can buy a house and some land. Who wants to live in an overpriced 80's starter home that was a bad flip?

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Old 03-15-2020, 03:36 PM
 
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DFW is ridiculously overpriced now. That house was probably 100k - 15 years ago. DFW is not a bargain anymore.

Seriously, an RN can get a job anywhere. Move somewhere that 250k can buy a house and some land. Who wants to live in an overpriced 80's starter home that was a bad flip in an area that is gauranteed to decline?
Look, I don't mean to keep beating a dead horse, but most $250k houses in desirable parts of the country were $100k fifteen years ago. And I'm not sure that the HEB area is guaranteed to decline. There aren't many great school districts that close to Fort Worth. The HEB area is short on charm, but a good school district and a good location can mean staying power. To me, I think parts of Keller are as likely to decline going forward as HEB is.

In 2012, the 20-city Case Shiller index was at 136. Now, it's at 220. That's a 62% jump in eight years. In that same span, Dallas has gone from 112 to 196, which is a 75% jump. 75% is bigger than 62%, but not massively so. My point is simply that DFW's price growth has been big, but so has the growth of most cities. DFW might be overpriced, but this is a nationwide phenomenon, not a localized problem.

If we're just going to give "Move somewhere else" advice to everyone, fine. But call it what it is. Don't say "$250k is absolute bottom-barrel in DFW" because that's not true.
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Old 03-15-2020, 03:58 PM
 
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OP never answered if they are a single income family. If they are, honestly there are much better places to live than DFW that are more scenic, have lower property taxes, lower housing costs, lower auto/homeowner's insurance and better schools.

DFW is great if you make 200k a year, are moving from California and can pay cash for your house. If your family has one income or an average inome or are a native born Texan being priced out of the market it's not so hot.

Good luck if you move back to Texas!!!

I've just never really cared for the Mid-Cities or Arlington. IMO neither have any character or charm and are in the middle of 7 million people.

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Old 03-15-2020, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Grapevine, Texas
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That would be relevant if the OP insisted on being in Grapevine or Euless. There are quite a few houses in the HEB district that are north of 183 and are zoned to good schools. If you include pending listings, which you should for a potential new transplant who is able to act quickly moving forward, the number of those houses explodes.
I just looked at two cities close to me, sorry.

Those houses north of 183 are the little 1200 sq ft 3/1 are the ones I was talking about that were built in the 1960s.

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Here's an active 3/2 in Bedford that is north of 183 and zoned to HEB schools....definitely doesn't look like a mobile home to me: https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...1_M70992-27165
That house is $259k, which is over the OP’s max.
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Old 03-15-2020, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Grapevine, Texas
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I've just never really cared for the Mid-Cities or Arlington. IMO neither have any character or charm and are in the middle of 7 million people.
I can’t argue with the geography, but downtown Grapevine is on the National Register of Historic Places. That’s a ton of character...
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Old 03-15-2020, 07:41 PM
 
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I can’t argue with the geography, but downtown Grapevine is on the National Register of Historic Places. That’s a ton of character...
I totally agree - Grapevine is very nice!!!

When I think of mid cities, HEB is what comes to mind, not Grapevine.
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