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Old 01-31-2014, 12:41 PM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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The airplanes going into ABE would have do dodge you new Massive tower going into land..
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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The airplanes going into ABE would have do dodge you new Massive tower going into land..
In our township there are a few off-grid homes. One of them built a 150' tower, with a permit from the state, lights and all; for his windmill.

He can not get any TV signal.
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Old 01-31-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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Spending $4,000 on an antenna is I'm sure what the OP has in mind. Why light a $100bill on fire when you can light 40 $100 bills?!
Yes, I was hoping to eliminate a $1000-$1200 in cable bills per year, and the desire was to still provide OTA channels. My brother spent $450 on a nice "all in one" computer with a 22" screen. If Aereo ever comes to Lehigh Valley, it would be a nice alternative.

Perhaps my father would be less tech shy with Windows 8.
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Old 02-02-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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I have decided that it really isn't worth it to try and get broadcast. The hill where the broadcast towers are in Philadelphia is about 280' in elevation, and the hill in Lehigh Valley where the broadcast towers is over 1000' in elevation (37 miles to the north). You cannot overcome that terrain even with a 1300' broadcast tower.

I am not going to build a 50' or 100' personal tower on the property.

I have no choice but to wait for Aereo, or barring that they never come, use SimpleTV and take a signal from a relative in a big city.

Thanks to flyonpa for the trial run!
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:13 AM
 
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Otherwise, like others have said due to your geography a HIGH mounted DTV antenna with a preamp at the antenna might be your only answer.


I've decided there is no magic solutions to deal with those mountains. Pennsylvania is where cable tv was invented as it was necessary to sell televisions.
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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I've decided there is no magic solutions to deal with those mountains. Pennsylvania is where cable tv was invented as it was necessary to sell televisions.
Of course, you DO have another option? Simply MOVE.
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Old 03-20-2014, 07:23 AM
 
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My house is about 32 miles from the closest antenna.
Thirty two miles would be fine if there was no changes in elevation (i.e. open ocean). Depending on your elevation profile, you could go much less or much more. Google Earth will let you draw a straight line from your house to the broadcast towers (if you know where they are), and show you the elevation profile. TVfool does the same thing.

There seem to be massive disagreement about how many households use antennas. The Nielsen number was always around 10% of the TV households. Last summer an estimate of 19.3% was widely circulated followed by another study weeks later that said 7%.

In these days of CBS openly discussing moving to cable, I guess this number is a political hot potato.
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Old 03-20-2014, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Thirty two miles would be fine if there was no changes in elevation (i.e. open ocean). Depending on your elevation profile, you could go much less or much more. Google Earth will let you draw a straight line from your house to the broadcast towers (if you know where they are), and show you the elevation profile. TVfool does the same thing.

There seem to be massive disagreement about how many households use antennas. The Nielsen number was always around 10% of the TV households. Last summer an estimate of 19.3% was widely circulated followed by another study weeks later that said 7%.

In these days of CBS openly discussing moving to cable, I guess this number is a political hot potato.
Part of that equation will be asking what percentage of homes are located in towns serviced by cable companies.
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Old 03-20-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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Part of that equation will be asking what percentage of homes are located in towns serviced by cable companies.
Generally, the USA is 20% rural, and I would expect cable goes by all urban homes and some rural ones.

Individual companies provide that data, but since more than one company may pass a home (Comcast and Verizon or AT&T) you can't really add it up.

I had always taken the 10% antenna, 60% wired cable, and 30% alternative (satellite systems of which 96% is Dish and DirecTV) as fairly good estimates.

If antenna had really crept up to 20%, then wired cable must be taking some huge hits. I seldom hear about people dropping satellite for antenna.

One argument against CBS going all cable is that they would never give up those antenna customers.


=========================================
Individual data for top 7 companies
=========================================
1. Comcast
Homes and businesses passed: 52,643,000
Basic video subscribers: 22,294,000
High-speed data subscribers: 18,582,000
Phone subscribers: 9,506,000
ARPU per video customer: $143.40
2 DirecTV
Digital video subscribers: 19,966,000
ARPU: $91.99
3 Dish Network Corp.
Basic video subscribers: 14,071,000
ARPU: $76.71
4 Time Warner Cable
Basic video subscribers (residential and business): 12,653,000
High-speed data subscribers: 11,136,000
Phone subscribers: 5,129,000
Single-play subscribers: 5,980,000
Double-play subscribers: 5,184,000
Triple-play subscribers: 4,190,000
ARPU video: $75.01
ARPU data: $38.96
ARPU voice: $36.13

5 Cox Communications
Homes passed: 9.5 millionBasic video subscribers: 4,756,000 (SNL Kagan estimate)
High speed data subscribers: 4,530,000 (Leichtman Research Group estimate, Q1)
Phone subscribers: 3,185,000 (Leichtman
Research Group estimate, Q1
)

6 Verizon Communications
FiOS video homes passed: 13,460,000
FiOS video subscribers: 4,353,000
Total high-speed data subscribers: 8,774,000
FiOS residential digital voice: 2,298,000
Total residential voice connections: 12,421,000
Total voice connections: 23,700,000
7 Charter Communications
Homes passed video: 11,988,000
Total residential customer relationships: 5,013,000
Basic video subscribers (residential and business): 4,341,000
Residential digital video subscribers: 3,473,000
High-speed data subscribers (residential and business): 3,802,000
Phone subscribers (residential and business): 1,907,000
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Old 03-20-2014, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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have you looked at antennaweb.org? What does it tell you? Sometimes you can get reception even if it says you can't.
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