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Old 05-16-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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My suggestion is going to be radically different from the two above.

I think you should let it continue to grow and grow. Eventually the grasses, thorny brambles and weeds will give way to saplings which will in turn shade out the stuff you don't want and after some time you will have a beautiful, natural backyard habitat that is valuable to wildlife, gives privacy and energy saving shade.

Of course I'm assuming you're not in a desert. But something tells me you're not in a desert.
My answer to that...

Harbors all kinds of nasty bugs.

Why not just rip it all out and lay a fresh carpet of grass?
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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My suggestion is going to be radically different from the two above.

I think you should let it continue to grow and grow. Eventually the grasses, thorny brambles and weeds will give way to saplings which will in turn shade out the stuff you don't want and after some time you will have a beautiful, natural backyard habitat that is valuable to wildlife, gives privacy and energy saving shade.

Of course I'm assuming you're not in a desert. But something tells me you're not in a desert.
Now after all that you left out how many decades he has to wait to go from weeds to trees in secondary ecological succession (the word scientists use for it). Very few people want their backyard to take a few decades to evolve into something.

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Morning nature boy.
LOL You have such a sweet way with words. The Rep machine is still broken but I'm working on it.

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Chop down all dead plants to ground level and remove. Water the yard for a week or two and see what sprouts. Let green get about 6 tall and hit them with more round up, let die and remove again.

When dealing with yards such as yours it could take 6-8 weeks of repeating this process to kill off as much of the roots as possible.

Understand though that as soon as you cultivate the ground seeds and pieces of roots depending on the species of plant will sprout anew.

Spot treat and pull as necessary after completing landscaping.
If the picture is what I think it is of.... Johnsongrass... that may not be enough but this is not stuff for home remedy herbicides and no labor. Just so I don't get the whole roundup is evil group all riled I will always go organic first and work my way up to the hardcore stuff if I can't make it work. This is way beyond the gentle to earth stuff, it'll look a bit put out by vinegar and hot water baths and just come back stronger, with more "kids" next to it for all your efforts.

My current garden and yard was at least partially a horse pasture at one time and has all sorts of wonderful weeds including Bermuda grass and Johnsongrass. In one garden I hand dug out the stolons and roots, by digging down in hard clay a foot by hand and ripping out every last piece. Yes, the dreaded manual labor route was what I had to do. Some of it was thicker than my index finger at that depth and going down further when everything else couldn't penetrate the clay. On occasion I may still get something reappear but on the whole it is the only place where that weed has not been a problem. The landscaping crew used digging after RoundUp. It just has too many very deep roots and stolons for RoundUp to even reach. Your rinse and repeat might very well be the only other thing beside convict labor to get that stuff.

OP get that stuff ID'd at the local Extension office or call the local Master Gardeners so you know what it is you are dealing with and get a second opinion on how to eradicate it.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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Another option for the roundup haters


Chisel plowing a rice field - YouTube
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:33 PM
 
Location: southwestern PA
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Also does anyone know how much sq feet the gallon of round up cover? it doesnt specify on the bottle.
It SHOULD say on the bottle as there are several different concentrates available.

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And should i use round up or Pennington Weed and feed? the W&F is cheaper and covers 10k sq ft If i remember correctly.
It's not cheaper when you are paying for fertilizer (the FEED part) that is unnecessary.
What exactly are you feeding if you want it all gone?
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Old 05-17-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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2.7...
You do realize that once you've killed this round of weeds, you're going to have a fresh batch next season when a whole new batch comes out? Do you want to make spraying herbicide something you have to do every couple of months? That's going to cost a fortune not to mention a huge waste of time.

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Morning nature boy.
Good morning.

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You could use a rototiller lightly and rake all dead plant material that come to the surface.
Including millions of ungerminated weed seeds.
I'm just sayin'...

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Why not just rip it all out and lay a fresh carpet of grass?
Lawns are a big hole in the ground that you throw money into.
You'd think that an Angeleno would know all about that.

Lawns add zero value to a property (and can even devalue a property) whereas established landscaping, shade or woods adds tremendous value, beauty and money saving cooling.

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Now after all that you left out how many decades he has to wait to go from weeds to trees in secondary ecological succession (the word scientists use for it). Very few people want their backyard to take a few decades to evolve into something.
That's actually not correct. It may take decades to go from weeds to a climax or late successional forest but to give you one example, the land behind my house went from weeds to tall trees in 8 years. Most of the trees are considered pioneer species (plenty of very desirable trees in the mix) that would later give way to mid successional species like oaks and hickory in an unmanaged forest setting. The weeds and blackberries are long gone though. Just 8 short years.

Obviously mileage may very but you can always speed it along by planting your own seedlings. Just "letting it go" is the free and easy way to do it.

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My answer to that...

Harbors all kinds of nasty bugs.
This isn't necessarily true either although it depends on the land.
In my experience full sun with all the lawn you can ask for gets lots of flies and pollinating insects like wasps, bees, hornets, yellowjackets and the stuff that stings and bites. They buzz all around all the live-long day and they're extremely annoying.

In wooded lowlands you get gnats.
In wooded uplands you don't get much of either in my experience.
I'd sooner take woods over open sunshine if it's annoying bugs that you don't like. But again, this varies widely from place to place. I've just described my area.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:07 PM
 
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Yes lots of ungerminated weed seeds. That's why they make preemergent.

Having landscaped for the last 12 years in the heart of the most weed infested area of North America I can tell you it's not that big a deal to maintain a weed free landscape. You just cant let it go. The biggest problem is people put in these grandious landscapes and then think the job is over. Then I get a call three months later.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:20 PM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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Yes lots of ungerminated weed seeds. That's why they make preemergent.

Having landscaped for the last 12 years in the heart of the most weed infested area of North America I can tell you it's not that big a deal to maintain a weed free landscape. You just cant let it go. The biggest problem is people put in these grandious landscapes and then think the job is over. Then I get a call three months later.
I know that. I just want to make sure 2.7 knows about the recurring costs of maintaining this space. It's not going to end with this one application.
Pre-m aint cheap and it has to be applied at the right times to be effective. It's an especially big p.i.t.a. where I live because you can put down the pre-m at the right time then it won't rain for a month so it won't get watered in.

Now compare that to a shady, wooded natural landscape where weeds are controlled by the absence of sunlight and a thick layer of tree litter. And the landscape might as well be paying you with the benefits it provides. It practically writes you a check every month.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:58 PM
 
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I know that. I just want to make sure 2.7 knows about the recurring costs of maintaining this space. It's not going to end with this one application.
Pre-m aint cheap and it has to be applied at the right times to be effective. It's an especially big p.i.t.a. where I live because you can put down the pre-m at the right time then it won't rain for a month so it won't get watered in.

Now compare that to a shady, wooded natural landscape where weeds are controlled by the absence of sunlight and a thick layer of tree litter. And the landscape might as well be paying you with the benefits it provides. It practically writes you a check every month.
I probably go through about a 1000 lbs of Ronstar and couple hundred gallons of Surflan every year. No dont get me started on gophers.
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Land of Free Johnson-Weld-2016
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Oh dear. OP, if you have a small backyard, you may consider a method that's kinder to plants, animals and our valuable waterways. How about redesigning the backyard so it contains various plants and seating areas instead of simply turf?

You can include plants that are pretty and useful (medicinal, edible, oxygen-producing) and minimize the areas where you need to mow and (God forbid...sorry) use toxins.

You can spend money doing these by hiring a landscaper, or DIY which may take longer as you research plants and do the grunt work. I would suggest:
1. a mulched portion of the yard, surrounded by edging containing evergreen shrubs and possibly perennials or non-invasive groundcover.
2. A "patio" area, which can be paved, decking or stone.
3. A water-feature. You can create a pond in the ground or above ground using something like a stock-tank. If getting electricity to the area's a challenge, you can consider a "dry" stream. I love these and they look great.

Ideas:
Dry Streambeds =>
http://www.ecoterralandscape.com/ima...streambed4.jpg
http://www.living-gardens.com/Images/dimol-after3.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--hSTDRGsfL..._streambed.jpg

Patios:
http://www.shelterness.com/pictures/...-a-patio-5.jpg
http://blog.builddirect.com/wp-conte...-for-patio.jpg
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI...1806R-2236.jpg
http://www.decorahoy.com/wp-content/..._06172_art.jpg
http://www.infojardin.net/galerias/a...tainaftera.JPG

Planting Beds: (If you don't want to dig, do "lasagne" gardening)
http://www.allaboutmygarden.com/wp-c...ds-400x300.jpg
http://www.studiogblog.com/wp-conten...98-500x369.png
http://www.bayleafgardenservices.co....d_Planting.jpg

Ponds:
http://www.jamesponds.com/cms/images/image_ID238592.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_r4Klv8u2tg...+of+garage.JPG
http://polkfyn.ifas.ufl.edu/images/p...llery/pond.jpg

Dry Garden => (You can do these w/ layers of cardboard and gravel/rocks.)

http://twistedsifter.sifter.netdna-c...ese-Garden.jpg
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs8/i/200...76_by_d_ko.jpg
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:12 PM
 
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I had a hint that once I killed these weeds they would come back but I wasn't sure. This is my 1st house and I've never taken car of a lawn or plants for that matter before. The back yard and front yard were in pretty back shape to begin with.
After a few weeks I will respray the remaining weeds and the whole yard one again.

I bought 2 gallons of ortho weed B gone and with just half a gallon it covered the whole back yard.

I sprayed it close to my lime tree but not on it. Will this be ok?


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