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Old 06-22-2012, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Covington County, Alabama
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Unless I'm mistaken, RoundUp (Glyphosate) is a non-selective contact herbicide. The only plants it does not kill are the ones that are too strong, and survive the dose of RoundUp applied.
It does not kill woody stem. It is selective to some degree. Has been for decade. It is used in non bearing citrus groves. No hard to young citrus trees even when it gets on leaves. I sprayed around hibiscus shrubs and got it on leaves. No trace of damage. Tested and certified in it's use. I'm not an arm chair quarter back on this one.
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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No, that too is wrong. By your definition, you might as well say that a Flame Thrower is a contact herbicide.

2,4d is another example of a contact herbicide. It kills the (broadleaf) plants that it comes into contact with. It kills the whole plant, not just what is touched.


Comparing RoudUp to Paraquat is both ill-informed, and inflammatory. Paraquat is highly toxic to both plant and animal life. It is actually widely used to commit suicide. NOTHING of that sort is true about RoundUp.
2,4-D, by our definition, is a systemic.

2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not comparing Paraquat and Roundup, just clearing up definitions. I'm not advising on suicide by Paraquat, that is nasty, agonizing, and death takes a long time to come.
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:45 AM
 
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It does not kill woody stem. It is selective to some degree. Has been for decade. It is used in non bearing citrus groves. No hard to young citrus trees even when it gets on leaves. I sprayed around hibiscus shrubs and got it on leaves. No trace of damage. Tested and certified in it's use. I'm not an arm chair quarter back on this one.
Ahhh, gotcha. I just use the off-brand Glyphosate. Pronto brand, from TSC, kicks butt.
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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2,4d, by our definition, is a systemic.

2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not comparing Paraquat and Roundup, just clearing up definitions. I'm not advising on suicide, by Paraquat, that is nasty, agonizing, and death takes a long time to come.
A local man used his arm to stir up and mix paraquat. He died. Paraquat will effect human hormones. 2-4D is combined with round up for a grass and broad leaf cocktail for to till farming. A very good combo. Now for the record there used to be two types of 2,4-D. Ether and Salts. Don't like Salts. Goes into the ground. There again education down to the last detail helps. People often confuse with 2-4D with 245-T. 245-T has been banned I think. Better know as Agent Orange. Kills everything and sterilizes the soil for a long period of time. Should never have been allowed on the market. Now don't you really want some pond raised shrimp from Vietnam? Read that label too.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:29 AM
 
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A local man used his arm to stir up and mix paraquat. He died. Paraquat will effect human hormones. 2-4D is combined with round up for a grass and broad leaf cocktail for to till farming. A very good combo. Now for the record there used to be two types of 2,4-D. Ether and Salts. Don't like Salts. Goes into the ground. There again education down to the last detail helps. People often confuse with 2-4D with 245-T. 245-T has been banned I think. Better know as Agent Orange. Kills everything and sterilizes the soil for a long period of time. Should never have been allowed on the market. Now don't you really want some pond raised shrimp from Vietnam? Read that label too.

Now this one is really surprising, I was taught that you needed to ingest, for it to be fatal, and that not enough could get through the skin. I’ve seen co-workers soaked in the stuff, left it on all day, still alive and well, now.

I know it makes you sterile though.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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Now this one is really surprising, I was taught that you needed to ingest, for it to be fatal, and that not enough could get through the skin. I’ve seen co-workers soaked in the stuff, left it on all day, still alive and well, now.

I know it makes you sterile though.
Sterile
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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A local man used his arm to stir up and mix paraquat. He died. Paraquat will effect human hormones. 2-4D is combined with round up for a grass and broad leaf cocktail for to till farming. A very good combo. Now for the record there used to be two types of 2,4-D. Ether and Salts. Don't like Salts. Goes into the ground. There again education down to the last detail helps. People often confuse with 2-4D with 245-T. 245-T has been banned I think. Better know as Agent Orange. Kills everything and sterilizes the soil for a long period of time. Should never have been allowed on the market. Now don't you really want some pond raised shrimp from Vietnam? Read that label too.
Round these parts, 2,4d Amine or 2,4d Ester are available. Ester is more potent and effective, but also far more volatile. It is RARELY used anywhere but on farms. If you live in town, you can make your neighbors hate you really bad, by using that stuff.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:41 AM
 
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Now this one is really surprising, I was taught that you needed to ingest, for it to be fatal, and that not enough could get through the skin. I’ve seen co-workers soaked in the stuff, left it on all day, still alive and well, now.

I know it makes you sterile though.
Paraquat is widely known to bring on everything from cancer to Parkinson's Disease. Frankly, I am dumbfounded by the world - especially Europe - turning a blind I to Paraquat, but screaming their fool heads off about RoundUp and GMOs. It's mind-boggling.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:44 AM
 
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While people worry about roudup, prozac and viagra are playing havoc in he worlds oceans. On and and on it goes and where it stops no one knows.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:48 AM
 
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Round these parts, 2,4d Amine or 2,4d Ester are available. Ester is more potent and effective, but also far more volatile. It is RARELY used anywhere but on farms. If you live inv`town, you can make your neighbors hate you really bad, by using that stuff.
A machine is made to drop coarse drops with shields on the ends and it does not bother neighbors. Does a 30" swath. Used it for years with now problems for chicweed in blue grass lawns. Never spray it.
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