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Old 08-11-2018, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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In the last 10 years I have cut way back but early in my gardening life I used a bunch of the stuff. Scary stuff. Wish salt and vinegar worked but it just kills top growth.


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Old 08-11-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I just bought some to use on my paver patio. The weeds are taking over in between the pavers.

Now I'm having second thoughts.
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Old 08-11-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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I don't use pesticides because if it poisons the plant, it will poison you too. I think most people know, at least deep down inside, that these things cause cancer, but some people just go ahead and use them anyway. There are even people who just laugh and make light of it as if the rest of us are just "sissies."

However, I did buy Round Up for poison ivy once. The vine was coming up between the cracks in the deck and I couldn't figure out a way to stop it. My dag walked there and would have brushed against it, then when I touched the dog, I probably would have gotten poison ivy. I had to get rid of it. It only took one little treatment.

There has to be another way of beating poison ivy. As for the rest of the uses, like killing weeds, what did people do before Monsanto came along with all its lucrative poisons?
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Old 08-11-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I don't use pesticides because if it poisons the plant, it will poison you too. I think most people know, at least deep down inside, that these things cause cancer, but some people just go ahead and use them anyway. There are even people who just laugh and make light of it as if the rest of us are just "sissies."

However, I did buy Round Up for poison ivy once. The vine was coming up between the cracks in the deck and I couldn't figure out a way to stop it. My dag walked there and would have brushed against it, then when I touched the dog, I probably would have gotten poison ivy. I had to get rid of it. It only took one little treatment.

There has to be another way of beating poison ivy. As for the rest of the uses, like killing weeds, what did people do before Monsanto came along with all its lucrative poisons?


A weed eater does a pretty good job at removing weeds. It will not take out the roots; but most plants die after many failed attempts. The only problem with the weed eaters for poison ivy is that they throw bits and pieces all over the place and, if you break out easily from contact or smoke, the weed eater would not be the tool for the job.

At least Bayer bought Monsanto, so if you have a headache from the cancer; maybe they will give you free pills? I would bet somebody at Bayer is getting a royal butt chewing. It wasn't too long after the accusation they had another problem with another herbicide (dicamba): https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...gest-headache/.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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i use it on poison ivy, as it's the only thing that works, but i pull or dig up just about everything else. Occassionly, something really stubborn or big.
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:08 PM
 
Location: NC
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The jury were not scientists. Monsanto will appeal, and rightly so.
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:49 PM
 
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The problem is that almost anything and everything is accused of causing cancer by scientists including smog to over cooked steak. The person in the lawsuit was a groundskeeper at a school district. He was exposed to Roundup almost every day for many years. How many of us use Roundup once or twice a year and even then in very small areas? Who's to say if he had been a clerk in a dept store, he wouldn't have gotten cancer just the same?
There are just too many variables with millions of people developing cancer to say this did it or that did it.

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Old 08-11-2018, 02:22 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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The problem is that almost anything and everything is accused of causing cancer by scientists including smog to over cooked steak. The person in the lawsuit was a groundskeeper at a school district. He was exposed to Roundup almost every day for many years. How many of us use Roundup once or twice a year and even then in very small areas? Who's to say if he had been a clerk in a dept store, he wouldn't have gotten cancer just the same?
There are just too many variables with millions of people developing cancer to say this did it or that did it.
He was exposed to Roundup a lot but not "almost every day for many years."

Some quotes I have seen:

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Johnson, a former pest control manager for a California school system, applied the weedkiller as many as 30 times per year.
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He sprayed large quantities from a 50-gallon tank attached to a truck, and during gusty winds, the product would cover his face, said Brent Wisner, one of his attorneys. Once, when a hose broke, the weed killer soaked his entire body.
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Johnson, 46, of Vallejo, was a groundskeeper and pest-control manager for the Benicia Unified School District from 2012 until May 2016. He was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma in October 2014...
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Old 08-11-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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He was exposed to Roundup a lot but not "almost every day for many years."

Some quotes I have seen:
Only a fool would be spraying on a windy day !

I'm a retired farmer who did a lot of spraying of herbicides in my younger farming days.
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Old 08-11-2018, 03:09 PM
 
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I don't use pesticides because if it poisons the plant, it will poison you too.
Plants have a very different biochemistry from mammals. I'm not weighing in on specific cancer risk from Roundup, but your initial statement reveals a knee-jerk judgement that honestly negates anything else you might say on the matter.

Think of all the medical trials where a drug created an effect on the animals, but didn't work or had a different effect with humans in later trials. Now think how very much more different plants are from humans than humans are from rats and monkeys.
Not meaning to be insulting, of course I say off-the-cuff stuff too. I would just respectfully invite you to reexamine your assumptions before you give them away as scientific or medical advice....
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