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Old 05-01-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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Interesting article about glyphospate considering all the recent scares. The EPA says it's safe to use and does not pose a threat when used as directed. Their findings were made as part of their registration review.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national...t-cause-cancer
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:20 AM
 
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I've always thought it safe. Used it since I first bought a house in 1983.
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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I am not sure I believe a statement excluding the data. And I certainly do not trust humans to "use as directed".
Even if the product is "used as directed", what happens to the concentration collection from runoff?
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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Eh, I wouldn't trust these findings. Science is always changing. There was a time they told us butter was bad for you. Now it's not. Besides, weedkillers have other chemicals other glyphosate in them that are harmful.
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:51 AM
 
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Interesting article about glyphospate considering all the recent scares. The EPA says it's safe to use and does not pose a threat when used as directed. Their findings were made as part of their registration review.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national...t-cause-cancer
Yes but will California believe this?

We could not live out here in rural west Texas without glyphosate.
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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I am not sure I believe a statement excluding the data. And I certainly do not trust humans to "use as directed".
Even if the product is "used as directed", what happens to the concentration collection from runoff?
Roundup binds to the soil and then begins to break up. It doesn't travel due to runoff like other chemicals nor penetrates into the water table.

https://www.hunker.com/12216862/how-...p-stay-in-soil
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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Yes but will California believe this?

We could not live out here in rural west Texas without glyphosate.
I live in CA. As of now, the state has no plans to take it off the market.
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:09 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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disadvantages of glyphosate: it kills almost any green plant it touches, so, over-spray can be a problem


Advantages of glyphosate;


-kills most weeds; resistance (the natural response of a population to a threat) has been slow to develop


-works by disrupting a certain enzyme system that make certain amino acids only in plants, ie- does not poison animals


- it is absorbed by the plants' leaves, is transported to the roots, where it works, ie- the above-ground portion, including the seeds/fruits are not affected and have low concentration of the stuff even right after application.


-short half-life-- it's degraded and harmless after just a few days (could be considered a dis-advantage--weeds can grow back quickly)


- a naturally occurring gene for resistance to glyphosate is present in Nature and can be easily transferred to crop seeds-- That allows the farmers to use this herbicide with minimal effect on the environment in preference to other herbicides which last longer and are more toxic to plants & animals... An excellent compromise....Use of chemicals in ag doesn't increase average yield. They make it much less likely there will be large scale loss of crops in a bad year--->"Food Security"


-it has not been shown in most studies to change illness rates in farmers, their families (hi exposure groups) or in any consumer groups (lo exposure groups). A few less than perfect studies have shown problems in rats or some human populations, but most show no problems and meta-analysis (averaging all the studies) show no problems.


Note that the EU has banned it, mainly to protect their own farmers from US competition, and ONE court case in CA (better named Fantasyland) has found it to be the cause of a gardener's lymphoma, even though he mis-used it several times, failed to bathe after spilling it on himself several times and despite the fact that lymphoma is a very common problem. How did they determine that HIS case was not natural, but CAUSED by the exposure? Stupid.
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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A friend of mine who is an EPA toxicologist told me to never use roundup, especially not on my property that fronts on a river.

If I remember, I will ask him about this article.
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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Roundup binds to the soil and then begins to break up. It doesn't travel due to runoff like other chemicals nor penetrates into the water table.

https://www.hunker.com/12216862/how-...p-stay-in-soil
I read it earlier. That it not enough to be convincing. Those are the results from a controlled environment. Trusting a human to follow directions is a scary thought. I would like to get the Roundup sales data and math it against areas across the country and test soil.
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